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On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:42:35 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:22:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 7/6/2024 8:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2024 9:42 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2024 10:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2024 8:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2024 9:23 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> I did a study of gun ownership versus
>>>>>>> gun homicides by states and I found the some states had high gun
>>>>>>> ownership had low gun homicides so I "dug into it" a bit further and
>>>>>>> what I found was that:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'IF' there is a gun in the home and 'IF' someone in the home decided
>>>>>>> to commit suicide or a crime they would likely use the firearm to do
>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's correct, as far as it goes. The pertinent fact is people with 
>>>>>> guns in their home are much more likely to die or be wounded by 
>>>>>> guns. It's especially true of women whose husbands have guns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can give citations yet again, if needed. Not that it would do any 
>>>>>> good, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> While we probably agree that suicides of impulse are tragic, I 
>>>>> maintain that most are deliberate and in many instances (I've known 
>>>>> too many) the best result for all concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will agree that a lack of weaponry may thwart some impulsive 
>>>>> suicides. That won't stop the deliberate.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing is perfect. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> We've previously discussed the idea of a near-total ban on personal 
>>> firearms with a complex, expensive and restrictive permitting process, 
>>> limited to one per person, single shot rimfire only.
>>> 
>>> Mexico has exactly that regime in place and has for many long years.   
>>> How's that working out in the real world?
>>
>>In the real world of Canada, Britain, Ireland, Germany, Netherlands, 
>>Spain, Australia, New Zealand, etc. etc. policies like that work very 
>>very well.
>
>That's only one of the reasons I wouldn't want to live in those
>places.  

And it might be noted that in none of the countries Frankie has named
does the country's basic laws (dated to 1789) include the right to
"keep and bear Arms"
-- 
Cheers,

John B.