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Le 12/12/2024 à 04:37, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 22:51, Python pisze:
>> Le 11/12/2024 à 22:18, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 21:56, Python pisze:
>>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 21:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 20:17, Python pisze:
>>>>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 08:17, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>> W dniu 10.12.2024 o 20:45, Python pisze:
>>>>>>>> Le 10/12/2024 à 20:20, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> How do you practically check your "t = t'" equations for clocks 
>>>>>>>>>> standing next to each other?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read the numbers they display and I compare them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then for distant mutually at rest clocks with no
>>>>>>>>>> gravity involved?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sad. You don't. You can't. We can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you can't either. Sorry, There is a small technical detail: those
>>>>>>> "distant clocks" are not moving wrt each
>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>> How do you ensure that? By assuming the
>>>>>>> condition a priori;and you can do it because
>>>>>>> you're only applying your procedure
>>>>>>> in your gedanken. Am I incorrect ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are. I put two clocks at the extremity of a rod.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, sure - "distant" clocks  at the
>>>>> extremity of the rod - very practical
>>>>> indeed, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   This is quite
>>>>>> reasonable to assume they are at rest wrt to each other, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. Take 2 bodies - one orbitting the other.
>>>>> Join them with a rod, do you secure their relative
>>>>> immobility ? Yeah, you imagined and insisted
>>>>> Gdańsk and Warsaw aren't moving wrt each other. You're
>>>>> such an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> What is the relative speed between Gdansk and Warsaw then?
>>>
>>> Would have to calculate.
>> 
>> LOL!!!
> 
> OK, if you ask.
>  From wiki - Gdańsk is 54°20′51″N 18°38′43″E,
> Warsaw is 52°13′56″N 21°00′30″E.
> Assuming the average Earth radius  6368km, Gdańsk
> is 3713.3km distant from Earth axis, Warsaw is
> 3901.5km. That gives 972.1km/h and 1021.4km/h
> of linear speed. The difference is 49.3km/h.
> Good enough for you as the first estimation,
> poor stinker?
> Sure, the velocities are not quite parallel;
> the final result will be slightly bigger.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> You're only believing [into] a great
>>>>>>> practical procedure - because your is pumping you with gedanken fairy
>>>>>>> tales where it works fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. If such a procedure would fail it could be checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> How could it fail if you  have never used it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No magic, and if gravity could not be ignored in a given practical 
>>>>>> setup 
>>>>>
>>>>> So, where, precisely, was your [method]
>>>>> applied. In practice.
>>>>
>>>> I asked for yours
>>>
>>> And I asked where, precisely, was your idiocy
>>> applied. In practice.
>>> No answer? Of course,
>> 
>> Many labs where distant events are involved and high time resolution is > 
>> needed, inside CERN detectors for instance.
> 
> The source?

http://ttc.web.cern.ch/LEB00Sync.pdf