Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail
From: *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Wistar Symposium "Mathematical Challenge to Neo-Darwinism".
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 03:10:42 +0000
Organization: University of Ediacara
Lines: 40
Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org
Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org
Message-ID: <gV2dnYYC5oCvSsL7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
References: <MUn6O.847$W2K4.435@fx38.iad>
 <v3d6nf$2bmpj$1@dont-email.me>
 <LTK6O.5077$gn%7.4967@fx12.iad>
 <ga5n5jhd6abu9pel4jk2b3ubop1qaqvg67@4ax.com>
 <g007O.1024$Ia%b.214@fx03.iad>
 <lmvq5j15rbj2gkn7m8v65e30msc5cop6ip@4ax.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89";
	logging-data="19526"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org"
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch)
To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Cancel-Lock: sha1:O309nFECNS/s0WOhB/SdHgufosY=
Return-Path: <poster@giganews.com>
X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org
Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org
	id C31F7229873; Tue, 04 Jun 2024 23:10:41 -0400 (EDT)
	by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01B5229871
	for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 04 Jun 2024 23:10:39 -0400 (EDT)
	id 09A7E7D12E; Wed,  5 Jun 2024 03:10:44 +0000 (UTC)
Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
	by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C397D128
	for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed,  5 Jun 2024 03:10:43 +0000 (UTC)
	by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010B5607F3
	for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed,  5 Jun 2024 03:09:52 +0000 (UTC)
	by serv-3.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A09644041D
	for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue,  4 Jun 2024 22:10:43 -0500 (CDT)
	by serv-3.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 4553AhLt055302;
	Tue, 4 Jun 2024 22:10:43 -0500
X-Authentication-Warning: serv-3.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f
X-Path: news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 03:10:42 +0000
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
Bytes: 4142

Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 11:15:24 -0400, Ron Dean
> <rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip for focus]
> 
>> In my youth I came to accept evolution as a fact. But after reading a 
>> book by Dr Michael Denton, on a challenge, I began to question the 
>> "evidence" for evolution and that's where I am today. 
> 
> When forming my own views on a subject, I always make an effort to
> understand the various views on the subject. 
>
When someone points to your guru having eugenics based views you belittle
them by comparing them to Ron Dean and when presented with actual evidence
quoted directly from the source you avoid actually deep diving in and
instead tap dance with irrelevancies like the practice of FGM. So much for
understanding those various views that might go against your own
confirmation bias. But go on and lecture Ron Dean on your virtues.
>
> For example, on my
> bookshelf, 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins sits alongside his
> 'God Delusion'; Jerry Coyne's 'Why Evolution is True' sits alongside
> his ' Faith Versus Fact'; 
>
So what of his discussion of yolking genes in the former versus his bugbear
Templeton in the latter then?
>
> Francis Collins's 'The Language of God' sits
> alongside Stephen Meyer's 'God Hypothesis'.
> 
> What books or authors have you read you that argue against Intelligent
> Design?
> 
> […]
> 
>