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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Future of online fora
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:20:23 -0400
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 07:55:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/4/2025 4:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 20:29:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/3/2025 3:18 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 13:13:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/3/2025 1:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to the issue, would you consider it appropriate for grammar school
>>>>>> age children or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Me? Yes, definitely, at least for the upper grades. With discussion, of
>>>>> course.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how kids' books are chosen, what the criteria and the
>>>>> priorities are. If teachers want to delve into social issues, it seems
>>>>> like there are infinite choices; and of course, there are certainly
>>>>> non-social issues kids should be exposed to. But I'd have no trouble
>>>>> with this book being one of the candidates.
>>>>
>>>> "Me? Yes, definitely, at least for the upper grades. With discussion,
>>>> of course."
>>>>
>>>> Oh, yes, a little group thinking makes everything better (NOT!)
>> 
>> Some clarification:
>> 
>> I believe that when someone says, "lets discuss something," what they
>> mean is, "I want to change how you're thinking about it."
>> 
>> The fact that some people, me for instance, reject those kinds of
>> discussions really upsets you.
>> 
>> You get into "discussions" here on RBT but you never change anyone's
>> opinions. Some people pay you the courtesy of countering your
>> arguments, but I generally don't even bother to read them.
>> 
>> Beyond the entertainment I get from watching you bluster and fume to
>> no avail, you're posts have absolutely no value.
>> 
>>> Oh Mr. Tricycle Rider! I made a couple posts earlier today that you
>>> neglected to snark at! You're slipping!
>>>
>>> Maybe your obsession with me faded for a bit?
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> No, that can't be it.
>>>
>>> ;-)
>> 
>> "Maybe your obsession with me faded for a bit?"
>> 
>> Apparently, your obsession with me has not faded at all..
>> 
>> --
>> "Yeah, I like it, I love it, I want some more of it."
>> -- Tim Mcgraw
>
>
>Regarding:
>
>"I believe that when someone says, "lets discuss something," 
>what they mean is, "I want to change how you're thinking 
>about it."
>
>That's how we learn things.
>
>Either an affirmation of our original tenet, an exposure to 
>other arguments for and against, or a new way of viewing the 
>question which can change our own opinion.
>
>That process is not limited to conversation but applies 
>equally to essays and books. (I suppose video if you can 
>stand the signal to noise ratio).

There are many ways to learn things, but when a person responds to
another's stated opinion with, "lets discuss that," it can only mean
they want to change your mind about it.

To be clear, I have learned many valuable things by asking, some of it
from you. I can be open to seeing and hearing other's opinions when I
believe they might have valuable information. However, someone coming
at me with "lets discuss that," will not get a favorable response from
me.

--
C'est bon
Soloman