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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:17:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 6/23/2024 9:11 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 04:48:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> The only thing one can do to "teach" a kid to ride a bicycle is to
>>> hold the bike upright until the kid learns to counter the lean by
>>> steering into it. In my opinion, that proceedure most always comes via
>>> trial and error. The parent holding the bike upright is insignificant
>>> in the process.
>> 
>> No insignificant at all.   A parent holding the bike significantly
>> delays the acqusition of skill.
>
>Exactly. Ditto for training wheels.

I disagree. Both my kids leaned with training wheels, although after
the initial ride, the wheels were raised enough to keep them from
falling on the road. A couple of rides like that and the training
wheels were no longer needed and were taken off. Both my kids were
riding all by themselves (no training wheels) in an hour or two.

>> But you are talking about learning how to balance, and I'm talking
>> about learning how to ride.
>
>One introductory slide I've seen used in a cycling class said "Balancing 
>ain't biking." 

<eyeroll> Foolish nonsense for foolish people.  Anyone who wouldn't
get up and walk out of the classs after seeing that is a fool.

>But as we see here, some seem to think that's all there 
>is to learn.

<sigh> Another Krygowski strawman.

What is "Straw Man" and Why Do Narcissists Use It?

The "straw man" technique is a common tactic used by narcissists in
order to discredit their victim's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
This technique involves misrepresenting or distorting the victim's
point of view in order to create an argument that is easy for the
narcissist to win. Essentially, the narcissist creates a "straw man"
version of their victim's argument, which is a distorted and
exaggerated version of what the victim actually believes, and then
proceeds to attack and discredit that version of the argument.