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On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 08:55:51 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 08:30:13 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 6/17/2025 9:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 18:12:57 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> `On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:42:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/17/2025 12:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:17:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike some here, I think it's nonsense to say that nothing is
>>>>>>> quantifiable, that _everything_ is subjective. That attitude is just a
>>>>>>> lazy thinker's way of pretending one's uninformed opinion is always right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't buy that attitude - maybe in part because in my profession, I
>>>>>>> was paid to (among many other things) correct other's mistakes. My
>>>>>>> education taught me to pay attention to data, and I taught that to others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure you paid attention to the nonsense data that said that having a
>>>>>> gun in your house made it more likely to get shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762>
>>>>> "Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among
>>>>> cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners
>>>>> (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). These elevated
>>>>> rates were driven largely by higher rates of homicide by firearm
>>>>> (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.83 [CI, 2.05 to 3.91]). Among homicides
>>>>> occurring at home, cohabitants of owners had sevenfold higher rates of
>>>>> being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner (adjusted hazard
>>>>> ratio, 7.16 [CI, 4.04 to 12.69]); 84% of these victims were female."
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/>
>>>>> "For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally
>>>>> justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven
>>>>> criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a
>>>>> fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide
>>>>> attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."
>>>>
>>>> <CHUCKLE> Krygowski lacks the intellectual ability to see that his
>>>> cite doesn't even address his claim that guns in the home make it more
>>>> likely you'd be shot.
>>
>><SNICKER>
>>Floriduh dumbass is too deluded and lacking in intellectual ability to 
>>comprehend:
>>"Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a 
>>fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide 
>>attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."
>>
>>let me help you out, dumbass, the cite _directly_ addresses his claim 
>>that guns in the home make it more likely you'd be shot, and explicitly 
>>states such. Only a floriduh dumbass could read "Guns kept in homes are 
>>more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting" 
>>and "Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among 
>>cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners"
>>and conclude "doesn't even address his claim that guns in the home make 
>>it more likely you'd be shot."
>>
>>This is right up there with you seeing two government reports stating 
>>the military specified the design of the AR-15, tested it, bought 80,000 
>>of then, and designated them as standard issue, then stating "the AR-15 
>>was a weapon the military never wanted and never used"
>>
>>It's an embarrassment to know I have any interaction with such a deluded 
>>and willfully ignorant asshole like you.
>>
>>>>
>>>> The study looked at 626 shootings in several cities. There's no
>>>> mention of how and why they picked those cities. They could have been
>>>> cherry picked because the results fit their agenda.
>>
>>"could have"...talk about cherry picking...lol
>>
>>>>
>>>> Dimbulb Krygowski doesn't question the data because it fits his
>>>> agenda, so he just repeats what the people (who are they, and what's
>>>> their agenda) who ran the study tell him.
>>
>>at least he has data, rather than a dumbass who sticks his fingers in 
>>his ears and chants "fox news" repeatedly when he hears something he 
>>doesn't like
>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Krygowski is totally obsessed with me.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)  HA! _That_ got an outright laugh!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...and Krygowski demonstrates agaon, that he is totally obsessed with
>>>> me. I'll bet he lies awake night thinking what he can say to get back
>>>> at me for pointing out what a wussy he is.
>>
>>lol....dumbass once again demonstrates what an ignorant narcissistic 
>>fucktard he is.
>>
>>> 
>>> When he first posted that study I had a look at then numbers and yes,
>>> IF there is a gun in the house AND a homicide is committed in the
>>> house it will likely be committed with a gun. Which seems logical.
>>> 
>>> But this has NO relationship to his unspoken conclusion that a gun in
>>> the house results in homicides.
>>
>>hey, stupid....it isn't unspoken, it's explicitly stated there there's a 
>>direct relationship between a gun in the home and an increase in 
>>homicide. Are you taking kunich lessons in dumbassery again?
>
>
>I'm pretty sure that there many far owners of guns who have not been
>shot than those who have. According to Junior's and Krygowski's
>"logic" that would indicate that owning a gun makes you less likely to
>be shot.


I believe that the numbers are that slightly more then 45 percent of
the U.S. population lives in a house where there is a gun.

If guns in the home are so dangerous I guess that the U.S. population
must be decreasing at a rapid rate)
--
cheers,

John B.