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From: Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: Chinese semiconductors
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff
><dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>>On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
>>>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
>>>> semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap
>>>>>>>>> plications
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good grief. Crazy numbers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like a normal ratio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in
>>>>>>> one year is absurd.  It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese
>>>>>>> real-estate scam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not see it that way.
>>>>>> Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Airbus planes have killed people too.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn
>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by
>>>>>> the same US,
>>>>>> worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
>>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes
>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
>>>>>> third world country,
>>>>>> a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt
>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
>>>>>> An IQ that gete lower and lower...
>>>>>> dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
>>>>>>> electronics.
>>>>>>> The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
>>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no
>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
>>>>>> West coast was always part of China  :-)
>>>>>> More info in 'planets of the apes'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products
>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just
>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
>>>>>> Even better have them make products that benefit people.
>>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
>>>>>> Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> How are your Russian lessons coming along?
>>>>
>>>> Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and
>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.
>>> 
>>> We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
>>> millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.
>>> 
>>
>>Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
>>are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had
>>all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
>>Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
>>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US
>>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly
>>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
>>to get involved in.
>>As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to
>>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
>>by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
>>kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
>>stupid person at all.
>
>Russia has a different history
>After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
>US wanted that too. took them years..
>Same for MIR space station, now ISS
>US looks dead to me in space,
>was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
>they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
>No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
>Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
>Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-). 
>Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
>And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
>that are worse than Hitler it seems.
>You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
>Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
>And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
>Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
>What a fucking mafia US is.
>NATO is a US weapon sales club...
>Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
>He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
>NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
>Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
>Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
>the list is endless.
>I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
>Different finance systems in use.
>US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
>it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.
>
>A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
>Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
>I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.
>

The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the
assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia
and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them
too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence
the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized
reserve currency; just doesn't work.