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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 17:30:25 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 146 Message-ID: <gp5sdj97tq9df09npf3vbgfnc4auiq2aie@4ax.com> References: <v26ndj5b4038brf60dhms4jqluln99fcq0@4ax.com> <vbga1p$10phu$6@dont-email.me> <5sindjpqbq0lks6kn3but34lsisqsf0ooo@4ax.com> <vbhq2m$1dkbr$1@dont-email.me> <vbhqdj$1dnp0$2@dont-email.me> <vbi2vi$1ev12$1@dont-email.me> <h9tpdj5rb1pkdq4mn4stg17jps7br03qkt@4ax.com> <vbj38n$1pico$1@dont-email.me> <qi4qdjlntjk9i0ogdr67ta8t3kh5onl82e@4ax.com> <vbj5t7$1pico$8@dont-email.me> <vbkfm3$1v0hh$10@dont-email.me> <vbktiu$216mu$3@dont-email.me> <vbl2uq$2244k$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 23:30:28 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="23d9e1327a130d255c16c4d791b04d4b"; logging-data="2178921"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/IZsOjcdzD3Myxr9T5QiilfKEAm7F70l0=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ryex15l29ue1AB2YE/oa+c3TkRQ= Bytes: 6989 On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:54:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >On 9/8/2024 2:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >> On 9/8/2024 11:25 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>> On 9/7/2024 10:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>> On 9/7/2024 11:12 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:47:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/7/2024 9:03 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 13:36:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Auto crash fatalities are a regrettable side effect >>>>>>>>>> of the use of cars >>>>>>>>>> for transportation. And cars are so beneficial for >>>>>>>>>> transportation that >>>>>>>>>> American society would cease to function if cars >>>>>>>>>> could not be used. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mass murders in schools are a regrettable side >>>>>>>>>> effect of the worship >>>>>>>>>> of guns, especially AR-style rifles, the weapon of >>>>>>>>>> choice for such >>>>>>>>>> murders. And I'll note that you have _still_ never >>>>>>>>>> managed to state a >>>>>>>>>> practical societal benefit of ARs in public >>>>>>>>>> possession. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unlike cars, if ARs could not be used, America >>>>>>>>>> would be better off by >>>>>>>>>> far. Just the tax savings from not having to >>>>>>>>>> "harden" public schools >>>>>>>>>> would be worth the change. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Or to summarize yet again: Benefits vs. detriments, >>>>>>>>>> John! A concept >>>>>>>>>> that absolutely baffles you! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By that logic, are fatal car crashes by Ford Fiesta >>>>>>>>> or Prius drivers >>>>>>>>> less tragic than those by scary black pickups? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We could certainly talk about advantages vs. >>>>>>>> disadvantages of huge >>>>>>>> pickup trucks and other similar vehicles. Books have >>>>>>>> been written on >>>>>>>> that topic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like >>>>>>> https://www.truckaddons.com/pros-and-cons-of-owning-a- >>>>>>> pickup/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Notice I provide a reference, you don't. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://slate.com/business/2022/02/suvs-pickups-heavy- >>>>>> huge-deadly- dont-buy-em.html >>>>>> >>>>>> or >>>>>> https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks- >>>>>> ridiculously- huge-blame-government/ >>>>>> >>>>>> "... critics aren't entirely wrong to point out the ill >>>>>> effects of >>>>>> mega-truck proliferation—or the oddity of using a >>>>>> 6,500- pound, >>>>>> 22-foot-long vehicle mainly as a grocery-getter. >>>>>> Pedestrian deaths have >>>>>> reached 40-year highs and the Insurance Institute for >>>>>> Highway Safety >>>>>> research shows that as trucks and SUVs have gotten >>>>>> taller and heavier, >>>>>> they likewise have posed greater risks to those outside >>>>>> the vehicle." >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem with compact pickup trucks, just as I >>>>>> have no problem >>>>>> with what were always considered normal and legitimate >>>>>> hunting rifles. >>>>>> But bloated, oversized modern pickup trucks are a close >>>>>> parallel to >>>>>> AR-style guns. They are bought mostly to raise the >>>>>> owners' testosterone >>>>>> level, by providing capabilities that are essentially >>>>>> never needed. And >>>>>> the detriments are externalities, imposed on others who >>>>>> get none of the >>>>>> minuscule benefits. >>>>> >>>>> I can't say for the U.S. but here pickups are used, many >>>>> times for >>>>> (probably) then they were intended to haul. >>>>> https://www.hotcars.com/thailand-largest-pickup-truck- >>>>> market-in-the- world/ >>>>> And the article pretty well says that your two >>>>> references just aren't >>>>> true... at least here. >>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/? >>>>> q=thailand+pickup+trucks&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.hotcarsimages.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F01%2Fpthai3.jpg&t=lm >>>>> The multitude of used of pickups here. There are even a >>>>> few home made >>>>> pickups shown. >>>> >>>> America is different. See https://www.thedrive.com/ >>>> news/26907/you- dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you- >>>> need- a-cowboy-costume >>>> >>>> Among other points the author makes, "...a significant >>>> portion of truck owners never use their trucks for these >>>> capabilities. According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of >>>> truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year >>>> or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck >>>> owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 >>>> percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling— >>>> putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison >>>> d’être—once a year or less." >>>> >>> >>> >>> Same argument applies to 95% of race bikes and probably >>> half of all upper end bicycles. They are mostly sitting in >>> garages as we speak. >> >> Correct, of course, but even the most avid rider's bike is >> probably sitting in his garage at any given moment. >> >> It would be more accurate to say that most race bikes are >> never raced. Which should be a strong clue that a race bike >> is probably far from the best choice for most bicyclists. >> >> But hey, they're fashionable! >> > >Not unlike large pickups. What ever do you care about >either? I'm happy that people are happy. meh. +1 ..and why does anyone care what kind of bikes other people buy? -- C'est bon Soloman