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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: General Motors quietly closed the door this week on a goal to make only electric vehicles by 2035.
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 09:58:54 -0400
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On 17 Jul 2025 13:10:52 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 17 Jul 2025 11:29:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 22:44:32 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
>>>> <beej@beej.us> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <1ltf7klta5gi28vbqbas3ckg16at9ivk7s@4ax.com>,
>>>>> Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I just sold my 16 year old, 107K mile Nissan Frontier with a 4 Litre
>>>>>> V6 for $5K I suspect it will retail for twice that. I wonder what a 16
>>>>>> year old EV with a depleted battery is worth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tough to go back 16 years for EVs, but Carfax has a 2015 Tesla Model S
>>>>> with 170,000 miles for $9,999. A 2014 with 58,000 miles is listed for
>>>>> $15,970.
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't touch the 170K Tesla for any price, but the 58K car might
>>>> have some miles left on the batteries, but I wouldn't buy it.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's a 2015 Nissan Frontier with 68,666 miles for $17,995. I'll bet
>>>> the Tesla cost a lot more new then the Frontier so it's depreciated
>>>> more. The Frontier also has many more miles in it's future than the
>>>> Tesla. I liked my 2009 Frontier and I would have kept it for the rest
>>>> of my remaining life if it had a decent back seat. 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> With batteries the designs are apparently getting better about degrading,
>>> it?s quoted that relatively few batteries are available for recycling as
>>> they are largely still in the cars, remember that this reboot of the
>>> electric cars is fairly young.
>>> 
>>> And indeed the choice of EV?s isn?t great unless all you want is a SUV are
>>> a few Pickups to be fair but estates for example you have 1 choice though
>>> believe more are coming.
>>> 
>>> Ie it?s a moving target as more choice and the design improves.
>>> 
>>> Which is clearly expensive so if manufacturers in some markets can delay or
>>> rather keep selling old technology that has good profits margins they?d be
>>> foolish from a economic standpoint not to take that approach which is what
>>> they are doing.
>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>> 
>> They're not just continuing to sell old technology, they're changing
>> their mindset about going all electric. Clearly, customer demand for
>> EVs has been overestimated. The leftist's push for them did not pan
>> out.
>
>EV aren’t a right or left thing, after all Musk who is right enough to
>support some far right folks and organisations.

<eye roll> EVs have been pushed by the liberals. The Biden
administration subsidized them and wasted a bunch of money with a
fruitless attempt to build charging stations. The Biden administration
also cut back on drilling for oil. EVs are definitely a right or left
issue. The left insists, "we must change to them," the right says,
"nonsense."

>Again you need to look beyond your bubble, a cursory glance shows that US
>EV market share is at worst slowing growth, which probably is to be
>expected with a limited range of types of cars.
>
>Some EV car manufacturers are suffering absolutely for example Tesla,
>combination of Musk being such a toxic brand, old products line up, and the
>Cypertruck is having a fairly poor performance. And just being 1st to
>market, and the older companies such as GM who are having very good EV
>sales.

In September the EV tax credits go away. People who want one are
buying them now before they go away. It'll be interesting to see how
EV sales do with government subsidies.

>Considering the high cost of cars, and that they have long lifespans they
>do seem to have various dips, as people hang on to their cars longer if it
>gets financially interesting. Ie need to look at trends over at least a few
>years.

The tax credits have been in effect for quite a while. It'll be
interesting to see how EV sales do with government subsidies.

>> 
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>> 
>Roger Merriman
>

--
C'est bon
Soloman