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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: No more gatrade
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:30:29 -0400
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 16:13:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. 
>>>> <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with 
>>>>>> DEI freaks
>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it 
>>>>>> convinced me to do
>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, 
>>>>>> I'll not be
>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water 
>>>>>> bottles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, 
>>>>>> I drank four
>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I 
>>>>>> tried Nuun
>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water 
>>>>> replacement? I
>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 
>>>>> to 1 with
>>>>> water.
>>>>
>>>> MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
>>>>
>>>> I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 
>>>> 24 oz of
>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing 
>>>> them lighter
>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high.  
>>>> Not good.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>
>>> My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot 
>>> Chicago Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting 
>>> line and by mile 20 on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 
>>> 80's. I had never trained using gatorade only drinking 
>>> water. So I think well I better drink this stuff due to 
>>> the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race day 
>>> you have not already trained and know what  happens.
>> 
>> Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race 
>> day" diets.
>> 
>>>
>>> Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty 
>>> tired and worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should 
>>> have even in the heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to 
>>> the finish and it took me 40 minutes to stand up. A friend 
>>> of mine said I was out of sugar in the body. Gave me a 
>>> real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and in 
>>> minutes was fine got up went home.
>>>
>>> Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process 
>>> glycogen differently than normal and depleted it. It also 
>>> taste nasty and I have never had a drop of Gatorade since 
>>> that day.
>> 
>> It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it 
>> probably created an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow 
>> you to process water (and possibly glycogen) the way you 
>> were used to it.
>> 
>> Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. 
>> Pretty much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you 
>> weren't ready to puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
>> 
>> *In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
>> 
>> It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while 
>> exercising can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from 
>> your stomach. "gut training" is the new thing in endurance 
>> sports training.
>> 
>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/ 
>> #:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
>> 
>>>
>>> It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 
>>> pounds after topping of the body with final meal get 
>>> glycogen stores full. Then night I got home from the 
>>> Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking to replenish 
>>> the body I weighed 171  pounds. During the race of course 
>>> I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
>>>
>>> No gatorade.
>>>
>> 
>> Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's 
>> formulation. The original gatorade developed at the 
>> University of Florida back in the 70s used cane sugar, and 
>> not very much of it. The focus was much more on electrolyte 
>> replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty taste 
>> and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had 
>> switched to HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has 
>> a much higher sugar content than it did back then, and it's 
>> also a different type. These days it depends on which 
>> variant you buy, but they list it generically as sugar with 
>> varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from 12 
>> g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar 
>> options of course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
>> 
>> For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with 
>> water (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a 
>> formula in a triathlon forum  I make at home.
>> 
>> Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
>> - 1/4 cup of honey
>> - 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
>> - 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// 
>> drinkfastfuel.com/products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
>> 
>> Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, 
>> cut to a light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte 
>> powder it tastes quite a bit like the original gatorade 
>> before they started adding all the sugar.
>> 
>
>Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?

It appears to have 21 grams of sugure.  That's still too much

--
C'est bon
Soloman