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From: John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site>
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Subject: Re: Bicycle outing with happy ending
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 20:58:05 -0700
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On Thu, 22 May 2025 12:48:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/22/2025 12:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 5/21/2025 9:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 5/21/2025 6:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 5/21/2025 4:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But the public reaction to several well publicized 
>>>>> instances of institutional abuse of mentally ill spurred 
>>>>> politicians to act, which was widely supported at the 
>>>>> time.  Those were horrible, and real, but not 
>>>>> representative.
>>>>>
>>>>> The unintended consequences now punish the citizenry 
>>>>> generally more than the inmates before 1963.
>>>>
>>>> And that should be a lesson in why general public policy 
>>>> should not be driven by extreme outlier cases.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK, what's an outlier and what's not?
>>>
>>> Emmett Till?
>> 
>> The murder of Emmett Till was not an outlier, which was the 
>> main point of the publicity it generated.
>> 
>> Emmett Till's murder was an example, bringing to public 
>> consciousness a widespread practice of lynchings and general 
>> oppression of black people in the deep south.
>> 
>> Sometimes one incident can call attention to a big problem, 
>> but that doesn't make the incident an outlier, except 
>> perhaps in its press-worthiness.
>> 
>> 
>
>Not  unique, but the total is much less than most people think:
>
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/1175147/lynching-by-race-state-and-race/
>
>https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/map-shows-over-a-century-of-documented-lynchings-in-united-states-180961877/
>
>Roughly 86 per year.
>
>Ohio, for example 10 white, 16 black.
>
>Emmet Till's murder was significant in many ways and an 
>oultier in the sense that most received no publicity whatsoever.
>
>There's nothing good to say about that, but Emmett Till's 
>death was a significant event toward passage of Mr 
>Eisenhower's 1957 Civil Rights Act.
>
>As always, one man's crucial incident is another's 
>meaningless trivia.
>
>p.s. The first USA lynching was of a group of Italians in 
>New Orleans. No one talked about 'civil rights' in that 
>context, and yet they did die at the end of a rope.


But I wonder... how many that were hung were in fact guilty of the
crime that they were executed for?
 In the Italian lynching 6 of the 19 had been declared innocent.
( it was also the introduction of the word "mafia" into the U.S.
dialect)
 
--
cheers,

John B.