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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: House arrest after killing cyclist in hit and run.
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2025 16:39:27 +0700
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2025 04:01:58 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 22:05:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/28/2025 8:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/28/2025 5:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/28/2025 3:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my view, a person who kills someone with their car should never, 
>>>>>> ever be allowed to drive again.
>>>>>>
>>>> First, let's acknowledge that rule will never be implemented in the 
>>>> U.S. But if it were, driver caution would increase many times over.
>>>>
>>>> After the first few "dumbshit walks in front of car" episodes actually 
>>>> resulted in "no more driving" and were publicized, motorists might 
>>>> begin slowing to non-fatal speeds when pedestrians (or bicyclists) are 
>>>> within walk-in- front range.
>>>>
>>>> As I've said here before, if an overhead crane operator killed someone 
>>>> in a factory, I think they'd never be allowed to operate the crane 
>>>> again, no matter what their excuse.
>>>>
>>>> Humans have given up far more than we should have to motordom. Streets 
>>>> and roads were once the domain of pedestrians, of kids playing, of 
>>>> people interacting. Turning them entirely over to motorists was a 
>>>> deliberate campaign goal of the car manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>> https://marker.medium.com/the-invention-of-jaywalking- afd48f994c05
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>>> I (naively?) assumed you meant 'by negligence or malice' and I was happy 
>>> to agree with that.
>>> 
>>> But I can't agree with you here.  Extend that argument and we'll charge 
>>> train operators with murder when jerkoffs drive around the gate.  Or 
>>> auto drivers who hit red light running cyclists for that matter.
>>
>>Given the legal system of the United States, I'd assume that if such a 
>>law were implemented, there would be gaggles of lawyers rushing to any 
>>accused motorist to defend his right to run down anyone who impeded his 
>>speed.
>>
>>So think of my position as an initial step in negotiations. Let it apply 
>>in, say, residential areas, where kids should be able to play in 
>>streets. Or in pedestrian heavy business districts.
>>
>>But as we all know, the present situation is closest to "I didn't see 
>>him!" or "He came out of nowhere!" followed by at most a slap on the 
>>wrist. And any imperfection in the pedestrian's behavior is a coupon for 
>>no motorist penalty at all.
>>
>>Locally, about six months ago we had a young, well loved, well respected 
>>music teacher, church organist killed by a car when walking across a 
>>street. About a week ago, another young man was killed crossing the 
>>plaza-infested five lane at 6 AM. Details on the first are sketchy to me 
>>- it sounds like he was in a legal crosswalk - but cops said the latter 
>>was "not crossing in a designated crosswalk" so the motorist is off 
>>completely free. And in a different city, a young woman I know well was 
>>knocked to the ground and injured while crossing in a crosswalk with a 
>>green "walk" signal.
>>
>>(BTW, Ohio law has a virtual crosswalk at any intersection, whether it's 
>>marked or not. Still, expecting pedestrians to walk an extra half mile 
>>to avoid being called a "jaywalker" seems unfair to me.)
>>
>>I'd like a law that makes motorists think "Holy shit, there's a 
>>pedestrian. I'd better be _really_ careful."
>
>What a shame that you've come to hate cars and drivers so much. For
>many, myself, for example, driving can be fun. Here's the little
>former race car that I sometimes commuted to work in. Mostly rural
>with little traffic but lots of twists and curves.  I made my first
>trip to Florida in it.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54333895269/

Why Isn't there a law that makes bicycle riders think,  "Holy shit,
there's a motor vehicle, I'd better be really careful."
-- 
Cheers,

John B.