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From: "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
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Subject: Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2025 22:29:21 +0100
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On 2025-01-05 21:44, Scott wrote:
> On 05 Jan 2025 20:19:22 +0000 (GMT), Theo
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> In uk.telecom.mobile Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:47:44 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:33:29 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 16:45:14 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Pamela wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't there also a requirement for the battery to be user replaceable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not in effect for a couple of years, I think ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://environment.ec.europa.eu/news/new-law-more-sustainable-circular-and-safe-batteries-enters-force-2023-08-17_en
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2027, though I can?t find an exact date. Not just phones either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Electric vehicles?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don?t think so. Things like power tools, radios, toothbrushes etc. A user
>>>>>> replaceable EV battery could be quite a dangerous affair.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might improve the residual value though.
>>>>>
>>>> Unlikely. Batteries are around £2500 per 10kWhr retail judging by the cost
>>>> of a house battery.
>>>
>>> Would it not allow an aftermarket for generic batteries instead of
>>> being bound by the OEM? I was offered a second hand Zoe at a very low
>>> price at one stage but when I realised the battery arrangements (lease
>>> from Renault) and the very low range of such a model I dismissed the
>>> idea very quickly.
>>
>> EV batteries weigh about 200kg.  Consumers aren't going to be changing them
>> because they don't have the lifting gear (hydraulic lifts and scissor
>> tables).  If you have gear unscrewing them from the bottom of the vehicle is
>> not complicated, although could be dangerous without safety precautions.  In
>> no world are consumers going to be changing them like they change wiper
>> blades.
>>
>> Batteries are designed to fit the car so you need to swap in an OEM battery
>> - just like engines it may theoretically be possible to swap something else,
>> but it's a lot of work (mechanically, electrically and software).  There is
>> no standard 1.6 engine that'll fit in every car, and batteries are similarly
>> bespoke.
>>
> That puts paid to the idea of having a standard battery for all the
> cars and swapping them from underneath at the filling station using a
> mechanical arm as was suggested at one time :-)

No, because those cars and their batteries were designed for this method.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.