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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 16:15:59 +0000 Subject: Re: "In reality there is almost nothing to understand in the theory of relativity." Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <d38d3a32063dd0a088033123f67bf0be@www.novabbs.com> <67804F9B.522F@ix.netcom.com> <38f4608171b17ca1901d1d3065c2f2ad@www.novabbs.com> <YeWdnexX_K7Z4xz6nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1819760f6ade614a$81246$1316151$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <OZydnWNNIqODmR_6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1819924b0a392587$80561$1308629$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <vrucndFZbMwk5x_6nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1819adf20b840902$84619$1316151$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:14:57 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1819adf20b840902$84619$1316151$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <hb6dnQQ1vIsidx76nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 85 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-nUItdU7k3DVTIEK4Ei+IzWD+b4Tb9o3YsYOnqUqyPucdzwqHuJ22Daa41YTv7DkJlcP3dk9Nr0Jns9V!tEpHH3Q3KEnq3M8UTasjWIkagOnbaq+1D6lvtSWfZP4w7nrFrcKXHC/f5GNAtRZ4L8BLdHxHc+c= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4559 On 01/11/2025 07:46 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > W dniu 11.01.2025 o 15:05, Ross Finlayson pisze: >> On 01/10/2025 11:19 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>> W dniu 11.01.2025 o 06:39, Ross Finlayson pisze: >>>> On 01/10/2025 02:42 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>> W dniu 10.01.2025 o 21:08, Ross Finlayson pisze: >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leon has an interesting section in his free pdf book "Apparent >>>>>>> Relativity" on the laws of logic and relativity. >>>>>> >>>>>> In reality the principle of Relativity is merely >>>>>> a negative assertion "motion is relative not absolute" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Right, The Shit is merely an assertion. >>>>> Later on, of course, the term "confirm" >>>>> was redefined to make it "confirmed". >>>>> >>>> >>>> There _is_ space contraction and what's involved >>>> is "Zero-eth laws of motion" and _classical mechanics_ >>>> and under-definition in _classical mechanics_, then >>>> that as with regards to Equivalence Principle and >>>> gravity and G-forces, those being different, and, >>>> the aether _not_ existing, makes way for why >>>> the relativistic effects of _charged_ particles >>>> are as observed, while, GR is in _front_ of SR, >>>> with regards to mechanics. >>> >>> As said - merely an assertion. >>> >>> And in the meantime in the real world, >>> forbidden by your bunch of idiots >>> improper clocks keep measurig improper >>> t'=t in improper seconds. >>> >> >> So, all you need to do is explain >> everything all together. > > Wanna explaination? You won't like > it, but it's simple: sane people > (which control clocks in the reality) > don't give a damn to your beloved > "let's explain" game. >> >> Physics is more than "Newton's System >> of the World" > > Well, fuck the physics. Clocks will > keep indicating t'=t and ignoring your > mad visions of what they should do, > common sense has been warning. > > > No, because that's not explaining everything together. Don't confuse what I'm saying with "going along" or "toeing the line", indeed it demands revisiting _classical mechanics_ itself, that your Newtonian isn't any better. There's much more about this in my podcasts, though it's usually that there's talk of philosophy and mathematics and logic and the philosophy of science before the mechanics and the physics. The point though of "Moment and Motion" to arrive at "worlds turn" about "Zero-eth laws of motion" is that it's a continuum mechanics and there really _is_ mathematical infinity in mathematical physics. Then, Relativity is a way of looking at things, and mass-energy equivalency is various, while still having conserved quantities of course, if framed as continuity laws, anyways if you're not explaining it all together it's not physics, if though it may be a field of physics, it's not, "the field" of physics.