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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 20:42:52 +0000 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_universal_quantification=2c_because_g=e2=a4=a8=28g?= =?UTF-8?B?4oG7wrkoeCkpID0gZyh5KSBbMS8yXSBSZTogaG93?= Newsgroups: sci.math References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <Jm-dnTTO1LWh4aD7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> <fa182313-6860-4e05-a103-2737336b55ce@att.net> <aAidnSzcCMwa4qP7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> <58fcd3ad-ba5f-43e5-83e5-364d36a05bb6@att.net> <96icnX-9Eoi7JKP7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> <9b151f0f-bd31-4652-a216-d769a6d36b39@att.net> <b3ednaXHZ4pH6aL7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> <5ea7e2c8-3fa4-4a56-843c-2cec222db3ec@att.net> <ToWdnXuzm82dDqL7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> <fd6c1cae-9d52-4dde-bd4a-3d00f0463560@att.net> <TQ2dnVA9fI8oQKL7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <58KdnWH_rOEle6L7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <XrKdnc5-cvSUZqL7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> <a4700775-be6c-46db-ad41-361eee6a3b67@att.net> <SuOcne8WDcEmhd37nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <4b86a394-467c-45c4-9370-4efae42ebcd7@att.net> <52CdnZUf4aEIldz7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <I9CdnShaR6hRhNz7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <3b24404e-cd3d-43ec-bb61-a4598555eff7@att.net> <R4udnTkzQb_269_7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 13:43:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <R4udnTkzQb_269_7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <hbednaJyIZ_R5t_7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 91 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-IShj/5OlOgL4LRGdhXtUkG+gQ90PbY9peYZkUMPsgTz+KIbpOpjCk0xSuHe4n23NRfxWM8bilXKAvVO!rTM30nyqqZAmcCviqwf9EPpF4M0POzAG8gwg2zNpc+HJ/FEGY/ulfE4stuUz+VRRivedpcDnvC42!ow== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5437 On 05/13/2024 01:22 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 05/12/2024 09:11 PM, Jim Burns wrote: >> On 5/12/2024 3:34 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 05/12/2024 11:21 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> On 05/12/2024 10:46 AM, Jim Burns wrote: >> >>>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Geometry's "similar" is often related to >>>> "congruency, thoroughly", >>>> where "congruent" means "similar". >> >> You have confused me. >> I agree that "similar" is related to "similar" >> but I don't see why you tell us this. >> >>>>> ͨₐ🭢🭕🭞🭜🭘ᵇ = ͨₐ🭢🭕ͩ + ͩₐ🭞🭜🭘ᵇ >>>>> >>>>> The right triangle 🞃cab is split into >>>>> two right triangles ◥cda ◤adb >>>>> by segment a͞d perpendicular to b͞c >>>>> >>>>> 🞃cab ◥cda ◤adb are _similar_ >>>>> [1] >>>>> Corresponding sides have equal ratios. >> >> Because triangles, here "similar" means >> corresponding sides have equal ratios and >> corresponding angles are equal. >> >>>> You can know that a triangle is a right triangle >>>> if you have the trigonometric functions of its angles, >>>> here as where it doesn't necessarily require >>>> the apparatus of Pythagoren theorem proper, >>>> "its own theory", .... >> >> Pythagoras says >> ∠cab = 90° ⟹ c͡b² = c͡a² + b͡a² >> >> That means >> ∠cab = 90° ∨ c͡b² ≠ c͡a² + b͡a² >> >> One side of that disjunction is true >> for any triangle. >> Thus, we don't need to know it's a right triangle >> in order to know Pythagoras is correct. >> >>> The most usual tools, of classical constructions: >>> are: compass and edge. >> >> If 🞃cab CAN be classically constructed >> then ∠cab = 90° ⟹ c͡b² = c͡a² + b͡a² >> >> If 🞃cab canNOT be classically constructed >> then ∠cab = 90° ⟹ c͡b² = c͡a² + b͡a² >> >> > > I just showed there's another way to arrive at the objects > of the functions of trigonometry, independent of the > usual way. Now, the usual way what was a uniqueness > result, is now a distinctness result, what was a singularity, > is now a multiplicity, and what had no end, now has two. > > For any planar triangle, that any two of its angles > sum to a right angle, indicates the triangle is right. > > So, in this context of universal quantification, you had > brought up the point about the Pythagorean theorem > as if it was only available as a definition, and now I just > showed that it's also as after a derivation, and vice-versa. > > Then as with regards to their conflation, and combination, > their confluence, "right" and "equilateral" trigonometry, > makes for as simple an example as you presented that > a deconstructive and reconstructive account provides a > greater dialectic and reasoning grounds for disambiguation. > > > And Zeno's like "you know these universal quantifiers can > help if you can explain how they neatly encapsulate an > expressed intent the actual vis-a-vis the potential infinity". > > > No, I don't know where else such ideas about this novel > "equilateral trigonometry" are. Here though there is one. > > Also triangles that are very narrow and very tall, and look right.