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On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 09:46:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

<snippo: topic was Nixon and Quakers>

>	At a funeral service for a dear friend under Quaker auspices I =
discovered
>that Quakers talk too much. Quakers are non-violent unless the =
provocation
>such as freeing slaves or keeping their property in very important and =
no
>president should be elected who holds fast to the principles of=20
>non-violence.

Is that last your sentiment or theirs? Or is there a difference?

>Nearly all governments use violence as the ultimate way to enforce their=
=20
>rules.

In Romans, Paul states the the State /exists/ to punish wrongdoers.
And that God established it for that purpose. Note that, at the time,
the State God established was -- the pagan Roman Empire. Led by Nero.

This view is not without its problems, as was discovered in WW II.

>To the extent that they use violence in accordance with the laws of that
>government and society they are either a nation rules by laws or a =
nation
>under a Fascist rule.

Or Communist rule.

To be fully correct, it would have to be /totalitarian/ rule,
regardless of politics.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"