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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: The status of ID and a personal reflection Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:00:03 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <hp2itj5l26hr05pr714u368arbf1em0uap@4ax.com> References: <vpf1kr$g09c$1@dont-email.me> <hf8mrjdt0m94vkt8gd0fcos7kgnp1lj9ps@4ax.com> <vpg74g$mfa0$1@dont-email.me> <samorjp08avatof45tleje7f0fdjhnno2d@4ax.com> <vpmtl8$2hfnl$1@dont-email.me> <cfkurj5g16vtidjf13nglh59o5j0h9bsop@4ax.com> <dd7vrjd34ttnohefsf532nbjgo7fd3rsjb@4ax.com> <vraos9$1h4kn$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="15459"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ed8QM+a0AfEHk0O7OmjwXGGqo4w= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 696CD22978C; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:00:16 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EA95229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:00:14 -0400 (EDT) id 0BA161C0655; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F33661C044F for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13FAA622AE for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/13FAA622AE; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=buzz.off id D05B4DC01CA; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:00:04 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:00:04 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX198/tQCSWff6vaAfr1ZDmN3RBhFOaAcbIsQ1f3Zf+zweKwfwqtrZjJ9 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4065 On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:21:45 -0600, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by Pro Plyd <invalide@invalid.invalid>: >Bob Casanova wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:41:22 +0000, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by Martin Harran >> <martinharran@gmail.com>: >> >>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 22:24:23 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >>> [...] >>>> As I said, "This post is not an opportunity to dive down the hundred >>>> rabbit holes that this overview touches on." The micro/macro question is >>>> _the_ evolution debate. >>> >>> Simply clarifying whether you accept that humans are members of the >>> ape family, all evolved from a common ancestor, or whether you think >>> humans were created separately as a standalone species doesn't involve >>> any rabbit holes. >>> >> Of course it doesn't. If this discussion were a football >> game (US type), he'd be a star receiver; he can weave and >> dodge with the best of them. >> >> (Still waiting for that info regarding the "Increased >> traction" for ID...) > > >Here it is: > Yeah, that was my take, too: 1) Assert. 2) When asked for evidence, ignore or waffle. 3) Reassert. Lather, rinse, repeat. > -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov