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From: john larkin <jl@650pot.com>
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Subject: Re: British (european?) kitchen counter electric outlets
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 07:54:30 -0700
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 10:35:11 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

>On 10/06/2024 01:04, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 23:38:28 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Our serious heat loads (house central heat, fireplace, water heater,
>> cooktop, clothes dryer) are natural gas. It's simple and very
>> reliable. Do brits commonly use gas at home?
>
>Mostly gas 74% at least in the cities although it is slowly changing to 
>air source heat pumps (which is a stupid idea in a country where the 
>coldest months typically have near 100% humidity and hover around 0C). 
>They ice up with monotonous regularity. Ground source heat pumps are a 
>slightly better bet.
>
>See for example the census data:
>https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9838/#:~:text=Census%202021%20found%20that%2073.8,no%20central%20heating%20and%201.0%25
>
>Where I live gas is not an option but about 80% of the population are on 
>the national gas grid (and it is by far the cheapest heating option). 
>Not all of them use it though. Dual fuel from the same supplier gets you 
>a discount (which isn't available if there is no gas supply).
>
>Snag is consumer electricity prices are linked to the most expensive way 
>of making the last bit of electricity needed to satisfy demand which has 
>resulted in insane price increases since the Ukraine invasion. So bad 
>that the government has had to intervene with price caps.
>
>> How much do you pay for electricity in a typical month?
>
>For my house comparatively little despite the large number of gadgets my 
>base load is only about 100W continuous. We don't have gas so are on 
>solid fuel (wood/coal) and oil CH which spiked after Ukraine. But OTOH 
>they were practically giving it away when Covid closed down air travel! 
>28s kerosene and aviation fuel are almost interchangeable.

Wood and coal are nasty, with lots worse by-products than CO2. We
theoretically outlaw burning wood in San Francisco when weather
conditions are wrong, but that's not enforced.

It's cold here so we leave the gas heat on all the time. When it's
cold and foggy we can hit as much as $300 a month for gas+electricity,
which are on the same bill. People with air conditioning can pay much
more, but a/c makes life possible in many parts of the USA.