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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Dawkins the 'Cultural Christian'
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 10:24:21 +0100
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 14:14:32 +0100, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 08:48:28 -0700, erik simpson
><eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/13/24 3:59 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2024 13:06, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 22:20:46 -0600, Pro Plyd
>>>> <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 12:36:22 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawkins has blamed religion for most of the evil in the world and has
>>>>>>>> described teaching religion to children as worse than sexual abuse.
>>>>>>>> Beats me how he can see "cultural" benefit in something so bad. Mind
>>>>>>>> you, he has come out with some rather weird views in recent years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I should think he does it by cherry picking which bits of the bible to
>>>>>>> pay attention to, which is what Christians do too, but different bits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've read quite a bit of Dawkins over the years, he's one of my
>>>>>> favourite *science* writers but he's really dreadful when he starts
>>>>>> harping on about religion. AFAIR, he never suggested that parts of
>>>>>> religious beliefs were ok, he unequivocally condemned *all* religious
>>>>>> beliefs. I can't remember where but I recall him saying that the Pope
>>>>>> and the Archbishop of Canterbury weren't really much better than Osama
>>>>>> bin Laden, they just presented a kinder face.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm reminded of a couple of Gandhi quotes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "If Christians would really live according
>>>>> to the teachings of Christ, as found in the
>>>>> Bible, all of India would be Christian today."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you
>>>>> Christians - you are not like him."
>>>>>
>>>>> “I like your Christ, I do not like your
>>>>> Christians. Your Christians are so
>>>>> unlike your Christ.”
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Gandhi was applying that to *all* Christians or even
>>>> Christians in general and, if so do you agree with him?
>>> 
>>> In the absence of any context to make me think otherwise I would take 
>>> these quotes at face value as applying to the generality of Christians.
>>> 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and for extra credit
>>>>>
>>>>> "What do I think of Western civilization? I
>>>>> think it would be a very good idea."
>>>>
>>> 
>>To quote Ambrose Bierce in "The Devil's Dictionary":
>>
>>Christian, n.  One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely 
>>inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. 
>>One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not 
>>inconsistent with a life of sin.
>
>Out of curiosity, how many Christians have you personally got to know
>who would fit that description?

Not many, if any, I'd guess.