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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:24:23 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 05:55:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:01:40 -0700) it happened john larkin
>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <d3gnhj1v9pt3aea029c1q1lotbm7pemrv2@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 04:12:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Removal of Russian coders spurs debate about Linux kernel’s politics 
>>>>
>>>>< https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/10/russian-coders-removed-from-linux-maintainers-list-due-to-sanction-concerns/>
>>>>
>>>>Torwalds brain going the same way as ByeThen's?
>>>>quote:
>>>> There followed a number of messages questioning the legitimacy, suddenness, potentially US-forced, and non-reviewed nature of
>>>> the commit, along with broader questions about the separation of open source code from international politics.
>>>> Linux creator Linus Torvalds entered the thread with, "Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about." He wrote: "It's entirely
>>>> clear why the change was done" and noted that "Russian troll factories" will not revert it and that "the 'various compliance
>>>> requirements' are not just a US thing.
>>>> "As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains.
>>>> I'm Finnish.
>>>> Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history
>>>> knowledge too," Torvalds wrote before signing off.
>>>> Torvalds later wrote that he would not go into the details that kernel maintainers "were told by lawyers," and would not
>>>> "start discussing legal issues with random internet people," which he suspected "are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them."
>>>>end quote
>>>>
>>>>US Linux?
>>>>
>>>>Betler write your own OS
>>>>Use an old Linux version, very old? 
>>>
>>>For embedded stuff, go bare metal.
>>
>>Yep, that is what I do with Microchip PICs
>>
>>>>...
>>>>Multi-tasker is not that hard... did one, many have.
>>>>Get rid of all the bloat.
>>>>
>>>>Got it! Ask AI to write one free of politics.
>>>>
>>>>Ooops, AI invaded too..
>>>>OK, back to smoke signals for commienukatione
>>>
>>>Software seems to degenerate into language wars.
>>
>>Way too many languages.. the evil started with Cplushplush.
>
>There's a web site somewhere that lists the known programming
>languages and variants. I think there are about 3000.

It's 9000 languages.  This was discussed on SED in February 2023.  My
posting on the subject is "Re: dead programming languages" posted on
23 February 2023.  This is the posting that went into ecosystems and
other practicalities.


>Here is your weekend assignment:
>
><https://builtin.com/software-engineering-perspectives/new-programming-languages>

Evolution in motion.  All but a few will end up as fossils embedded in
sedimentary layers.


>>C is cool, asm is cool too.
>>The rest? Sometimes I thing as there is less hardware knowledge by programmers
>>each of those tries to re-invent the wheel  but without in depth knowledge,
>>resulting an a bunch of silly 'languages', that will change in every new release.
>>That will never be secure...
>>And why all that code? US got to the moon and back with less power than a Raspberry PI version 1
>
>A Pi Pico has hundreds of times more compute power. Maybe thousands.
>For $7.50.

This plus immediate availability generally wins the business-case
analysis.

Joe Gwinn