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Subject: Re: Sunny Hostin: It's "Un-Godly, Not Christian" To Criticize "Woke" Culture
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:08:14 -0500
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 19:39:59 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:

>On Feb 25, 2025 at 10:51:44 AM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:43:43 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2025 at 1:30:45 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  Sunny Hostin claimed on Monday that it was "un-Godly" and "not Christian"
>>>> to 
>>>>  oppose woke culture, arguing that people who did so only proved that they
>>>> did
>>>>  
>>>>  not care about their neighbors.
>>>>  
>>>>  Hostin and THE VIEW cohost Whoopi Goldberg discussed their own personal 
>>>>  histories, saying that because they had always been around people who were 
>>>>  fighting for things like Civil Rights and other issues, they had "never
>>>> been 
>>>>  asleep".
>>>>  
>>>>  "I thought about the conversations that you and I have had, Whoopi, so many 
>>>>  times about the co-opting of the word 'woke,'" Hostin began. "And the fact 
>>>>  that the right somehow has made it a dirty word."
>>> 
>>> The meanings of words change over time, Sunny. You're allegedly a
>>> highly-educated lawyer, so you should know that.
>>> 
>>> Do we need to go over the history of the word 'gay' for that concept to sink
>>> through that bone spur you call a skull?
>> 
>> She would likely dance with gay abandon while you talk about that
>> history.
>> 
>>>>  "And so Whoopi will often tell me, 'I've never been asleep,'" she added.
>>>> "And
>>>>  
>>>>  that's how I feel... so it angers me when people are like, 'This woke stuff 
>>>>  gotta go.' That's telling me that you don't care about my lived experience
>>> 
>>> Well, you got that one right, Sunny. I don't care about your 'lived
>>> experience'. You're one of the most racist people on TV. You're a horrible
>>> person and whatever experiences you've had concern me not in the slightest.
>>> 
>>> And what the hell is 'lived experience, anyway? What other experience could
>>> you have other than that through which you've lived?
>> 
>> I'm sure she means her "lived experience" which makes her better to
>> talk about this subject than you and your "lived experience".
>
>Well, sure, but why not simply call it 'experience', since there can be no
>other kind?

Because "experience" is a generic term and there's an attempt to put
some special meaning to the term "lived experience." Probably to put
imply more of an emotional connection to the lifetime's worth of
experience.

>People-- particularly on the Left, but sometimes on the Right, as well-- seem
>to feel obligated to constantly make up new jargony terms for stuff that can
>already by described using normal words in the English language.

Oh, so you mean that should only be allowed by lawyers? ;)

>
>'Social distance' is another one that leaps to mind. Why did we need a new
>term for that? Why couldn't we just call it 'distance'? It's literally means
>the same thing.

It doesn't really. Social distance means staying outside of someone's
social bubble. Which means it isn't a set distance as what I might
require to feel comfortable is likely different from what you or Anim
might require. 


>Another one that recently seems to have spread everywhere is the use of
>'giving' to mean 'implies' or 'seems like'. This is particularly popular among
>GenZers. They say things like,
>
>"She's giving jealousy" instead of "She seems jealous."

Haven't seen that one. I would be a bit confused by someone saying the
former as I'm not sure how one gives jealousy. Does it come in the
form of a pill?

>and
>
>"That trailer's giving STAR WARS" instead of "That trailer seems like a STAR
>WARS copy."
>

I could see the former if they had said "STAR WARS vibes" as I would
then have a sense of what they were meaning and maybe that is what was
meant. Just that the writer chose to leave off the "vibes" portion as
they saw it as a given thing.