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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 05:37:16 -0400
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:56:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:19:11 -0400, zen cycle
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 3/11/2025 8:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 10:20:18 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 3/11/2025 8:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 3/10/2025 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 9:37 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well... you exhibit a fear of firearms ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. I exhibit distaste for the American fetish for firearms, and
>>>>>> the effect it has on society. And I exhibit scorn for paranoia so
>>>>>> severe as to cause a person to _require_ a firearm to do ordinary
>>>>>> things like ride a quiet bike path, drive a car, fill a gas tank, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sympathetic to those controlled by some phobias. Not this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And BTW, it's not just our super-timid tricyclist. One classmate of
>>>>>> mine in an adult education class brought his handgun to a class picnic
>>>>>> in the country. Nice guy, but that was crazy paranoia. Another guy,
>>>>>> less admirable in general, bragged to me about carrying his handgun
>>>>>> into a folk music concert we attended. Absolute stupidity, and crazy
>>>>>> paranoia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That latter guy played guitar, but was so obese that he used a special
>>>>>> stand to hold his guitar out away from his belly. Maybe his physical
>>>>>> shortcomings triggered feelings of great vulnerability, as with Mr.
>>>>>> Tricycle? Nonetheless, his risk assessment was off the charts crazy -
>>>>>> as is Mr. Tricycle's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Replace 'firearm' in the above with 'bicycle helmet'.
>>>>> Same argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> And regarding risk assessment, I'm reasonable certain that this
>>>>> shopping  mall in Greenwood Indiana never experienced a deranged madman
>>>>> shooting into a crown before, and most probably never will again.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, on one fine July day, it happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/07/hero-armed-citizen-landed-8-
>>>>> of-10-shots-at-40-yards-to-stop-mass-shooting-in-15-seconds/
>>>>>
>>>>> Not especially that Mr Dicken was lawfully carrying only days after the
>>>>> Indiana statute had changed to allow carry.
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. 8 of ten at 40 feet instantaneously without preparation is
>>>>> excellent marksmanship. Not achievable without some diligence and range
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which doesn't bode well for people who carry for personal protection and
>>>> never take the time and diligence. If there was a law requiring range
>>>> time and accuracy to carry a gun, I'd be a lot more confident in the
>>>> general public carrying guns. Instead, cases like this are far more
>>>> prevalent:
>>>>
>>>> https://people.com/calif-toddler-accidentally-shoots-and-kills-mother-with-unsecured-gun-police-8759431
>>> 
>>> Ah But, as your reference states the boyfriend committed an illegal
>>> act, and was charged, The Florida guy is talking about a legal act.
>>> 
>>> A bit of a difference, wouldn't one think?
>>
>>not much. The gun fetishists (lobby) thinks any restrictions on gun 
>>ownership are unconstitutional. In their (small) minds, the boyfriend 
>>did nothing wrong.
>>
>>Besides, there's this:
>>
>>https://www.fox13news.com/news/parents-4-year-old-boy-who-accidentally-shot-killed-himself-will-not-be-charged-davenport-police
>>
>>The child found the gun underneath the seat underneath the seat 
>>accidentally shot himself. No laws were broken. In floriduh, HB 1087 was 
>>introduced that would have required owners to lock their firearms in a 
>>trunk or glove box when left inside an unoccupied car. It died in committe.
>>
>>Then there's this:
>>https://nypost.com/2024/08/26/us-news/5-year-old-utah-boy-dies-after-shooting-himself-with-parents-gun/
>>
>>Again, no laws were broken, there is no Utah law against leaving 
>>unattended weapons accessible to minors, and also does not require 
>>weapons to be secured.
>
>
>
>https://www.fox13news.com/news/parents-4-year-old-boy-who-accidentally-shot-killed-himself-will-not-be-charged-davenport-police
>"The child found the gun underneath the seat underneath the seat 
>accidentally shot himself. No laws were broken. In floriduh, HB 1087
>was introduced that would have required owners to lock their firearms
>in a trunk or glove box when left inside an unoccupied car. It died in
>committe."
>
>Nope, it was signed into law.
>https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1087/?Tab=BillHistory
>
>However, I agree with Chief Parker that the law didn't go far enough.
>It should be a felony for some moron to leave a gun laying around in
>an unoccupied car. 

I should've also said that letting a gun slide around under the seat
of your vehicle is an incredibly stupid thing to do, and the glove box
is not a good place to leave it when unattended. The first place a car
burglar will look is under the seat and the second place is the glove
box, which is easily opened with a screwdriver or pocket knife.

I also believe that open carry is wrong headed. Too easy to grab if
out in the open.

If I go into a restroom or a restaurant when out riding, the gun does
not get left on the Catrike. It goes into my trunk bag along with my
phone and computer and goes with me.

--
C'est bon
Soloman