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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: bike light optics Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2024 10:38:25 -0700 Lines: 71 Message-ID: <imta1jlajee5ctr54a6c3sv713vlfsegjd@4ax.com> References: <uucpmc$226ov$1@dont-email.me> <uud6dp$28gh5$1@dont-email.me> <uue9e8$2fqcf$3@dont-email.me> <uuk938$3icl$1@dont-email.me> <uukbbn$42v9$3@dont-email.me> <uukcfb$3tspr$1@dont-email.me> <jrjPN.617728$Rq2.250265@fx15.ams4> <uumsuu$qiga$3@dont-email.me> <zyDPN.635506$Rq2.626274@fx15.ams4> <uun21g$rv7k$1@dont-email.me> <rxGPN.525218$jO2.46696@fx10.ams4> <uup9ad$1fo65$1@dont-email.me> <0ni91jlfr7qq71svg7panvdr10u6t7n7b2@4ax.com> <uv3cov$6tsa$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net TPoa4RP0Imk+0XlOACoyHQN1b5niCM8R+iNMO3GXZqqSf5DsJD Cancel-Lock: sha1:991wksoRNLgg2gn+z+mfgfwUykk= sha256:XcepCn18JQKZt8lodoY5b6sggg5KqIptWZ744ynPuTU= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 4441 On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 08:36:46 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote: >On 4/9/2024 1:57 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 09:36:27 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> What would be nice is a higher-end battery powered light that could be >>> charged with a dynamo, and operate at lower power directly from the >>> dynamo, but there is no such animal. A dynamo to USB-C PD adapter would >>> be perfect but all the dynamo USB commercial products are to 5VDC only. >> >> Good idea, but the dynamo might need to be enlarged to handle the >> combined load of charging the battery and powering the light. It is >> possible to do both with the existing 3 watt dynamos using PWM (pulse >> width modulation), where the waveforms for powering the light and >> charging the battery are interlaced so that the dynamo sees only one >> load at a time. >I don't think I've ever heard of a PWM multiplexing scheme before. Is >there such a thing? Neither have I. There might actually be such a thing but I'm not going to sift through the patent bone yard looking for one right now. I have the bad habit of contriving solutions that seem likely, but might not exist (yet). In this case, let's pretend you have a power source that delivers something resembling a constant 3 watt power level. The power source needs to operate a 3 watt front light and simultaneously charge a battery that also presents a 3 watt load. Connecting the light and the battery in parallel is going to be a 6 watt load, which the mythical power source (dynamo) can't handle. If the load was only a front light, the usual way to reduce the lights output is with a PWM (pulse width modulation) light dimmer, where the output power is proportional to the duty cycle of the PWM waveform. 100% duty cycle is full brightness (3 watts), 50% duty cycle is half brightness (1.5 watts) and 33% duty cycle would be 1/3 brightness (1.0 watts). The nice part of PWM is that there is no load BETWEEN pulses. For example, if the front light was running at 33% (1 watt) duty cycle, there would be the remaining 67% (2 watts) available to power something else, without exceeding the 3 watt limit of the power source (dynamo). Therefore, the "extra" 67% could be used to charge the battery. Just invert the PWM output that powers the front light to produce the PWM output the powers the battery charger. I could probably throw something together using commodity switching power supply IC's. If I wanted to be creative, I could adjust the pulse width using a control knob. At one end, all the power goes to the front lamp. At the other end, all the power goes to charging the battery (as might be the case during daylight hours). However, in both cases, the load on the dynamo doesn't exceed its rated 3 watts, which is the purpose of this exercise. Patent pending (maybe). >Maybe you can build mux a cable tester in there too. You seem to be hallucinating. Were you watching the eclipse without proper eye protection? -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558