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From: Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: kids these days
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2024 19:22:42 +0100
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 20:28:53 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>"Cursitor Doom" <cd@notformail.com> wrote in message news:lts0gjd4gsl84be5je9hcmen2dolt931fr@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:56:37 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>"Cursitor Doom" <cd@notformail.com> wrote in message news:2c80gjt42h2f04f40i1i3n05j2pe4c3jqa@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 20:20:21 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:rb5ufj1pc4uk139u9n0rljvrliqacpllq3@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Oct 2024 23:03:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 02 Oct 2024 19:53:49 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:45:37 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>>>>>>><clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 30/09/2024 19:11, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they get the DC part about right, I ask them for any other
>>>>>>>>>> comments. All sorts of things could be mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With the base looking at 5K, it's unlikley to oscillate. It would be a
>>>>>>>>>> miracle if any kid even mentioned emitter follower oscillation. Or
>>>>>>>>>> noise, or tempcos, or anything else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Along with a colleague, I interviewed someone for a repair technician's
>>>>>>>>>job a few years back.  Among the questions was a simple common emitter
>>>>>>>>>single transistor stage which we asked him to explain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He blew us away.  He knew *far* more detail than either of us.  Turned
>>>>>>>>>out he was a shit-hot analog designer looking for a less stressful job
>>>>>>>>>as he wound down to retirement.  He turned out to be brilliant at his
>>>>>>>>>new job, and mentored a lot of younger people.  He left when the company
>>>>>>>>>was bought by a large US corporation with the concomitant mind-numbing
>>>>>>>>>treacle-wading bullshit. [Me too!]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I see the trend, good circuit designers retiring and not being
>>>>>>>>replaced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe not yet, but pretty soon AI will do it better than humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't see how a simple quesion has enough information to generate a
>>>>>> complex design.
>>>>
>>>> Take a modular approach until such time as the algos improve.
>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.flux.ai/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do we have garbage like Windows and Outlook if AI is available?
>>>>
>>>> I haven't used either for very many years. Linux is *way* better in so
>>>> many ways.
>>>
>>>Outlook was always garbage. I currently set up emclient for anyone who wants an installable client which can handle many different
>>>email addresses.
>>>A Linux version of emclient would be nice but not likely to happen.
>>>
>>>I use Windows 10 for daily work but Hyper-V has Windows xp and two debian servers.
>>>I don't use a Linux desktop, just putty for command line and winscp for file access.
>>>Just log in as root over SCP and use notepad++ to edit any file on the Linux system.
>>>I also have linux boxes running proxmox.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Because garbage made money and closed source meant no-one else could laugh at the code.
>>>>
>>>> Ha! ha! Well said, Edward; spot on!
>>>>
>>>>>If Windows is ever rewritten by AI then it's likely to be in a way which does whatever is necessary to make more money.
>>>>
>>>> We could get AI to come up with something a little better than just
>>>> another version of Windows, I'd imagine. ;-)
>>>
>>>Depends on who trains it, and what they train it to do, and what they train it to be.
>>>
>>
>> Well, so long as Bill Gates doesn't train it, it'll do just fine.
>
>The BASIC interpreters were fine, but they were written in assembler and refined and refined for small memory footprint.
>This had the side effect of making them super efficient and about as bug free as you can get.
>They were also small enough that one person could understand all or nearly all of the code.
>
>Problems started when multiple people started writing DOS in c.
>Programmers were now shielded from what the processor was actually doing so issues such as unchecked buffer in just about everything 
>arose.
>I've no idea whether Gates himself ever wrote anything in c but I suspect he did not.
>
>I wonder whether AI will eventually get smart enough to look at current code at assembler level and refine it in a similar way.
>
Should be a given. Compilers have been optimising higher level
languages for *years* and without the use of AI.