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Path: ...!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2024 13:52:48 +0000 From: john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,uk.d-i-y Subject: Re: OT: EV Charging Stations Stripped of Copper Cables Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2024 06:52:49 -0700 Message-ID: <iufq8jhjsia1qdm4pt2vgrovkhrpt8nj8u@4ax.com> References: <v64kvk$2cc3j$2@dont-email.me> <v6ffko$ii8v$1@dont-email.me> <v6hfnm$10h93$2@dont-email.me> <v6icsb$18bnm$1@dont-email.me> <v6ivke$1b3ak$1@dont-email.me> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 X-Trace: sv3-AprYnHOWSo+kK0jeFoD06liaf4YaePmMwzony237GKwIwm6J5okug5+n/iswyePBIQ8yUptV4u5MuEU!oi48OWdsGymNvYlR1NayS9LMAOKkvpPpSRyKF1frExFaVFrCp/GcLIGQWTOVu07PltFsqmQd2vTt!AEQ0pA== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2305 On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:24:30 -0000 (UTC), RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote: >On 9 Jul 2024 at 05:04:24 BST, Bill Sloman wrote: > >> From time to time I get to remind the qroup that >> I'm a democratic socialist - while Communists are autocratic socialists, >> and got slung out of the International Socialist movements in 1871, when >> Karl Marx's silly ideas about "the leading role" of the party were rejected. >> > >Very kind of you! But a small point - the CP was, theoretically, a socialist >bridge to communism. Nobody - especially Marx - know what communism would be >in detail - simply that the process of revolutionary socialism would put an >end to capitalism for the right reasons. > >> Mikhail Bakunin's famous quote dates from that period >> >> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/801264-if-you-took-the-most-ardent-revolutionary-vested-him-in > >So history might suggest :-) In other words, power corrupts. Which means that governments are dynamically unstable, and a long-term-democratic society is a remarkable thing. Why end "capitalism"? Economic and intellectual plualism works.