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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <jAzCAJq8FVCKps9bXn3yDr5Sh4U@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics References: <GBEGTHyJnMpjHuJ0IoZO0OLSc1M@jntp> <0b2ff7832787b9d3165d93803b09df8f@www.novabbs.com> <74ipUL6JcQu72w-mbGQ7BbVp7kU@jntp> <cda33e42de10aeee9283e500b47a63f9@www.novabbs.com> <AE2L2lzGJn13Z_4dg3bpJC59QsA@jntp> <66b3d79f$0$3656$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <dlVAS4dgp1D4i_LVHm3d5U9hqow@jntp> <43ee5c178f7ae877c0c3e00e77386494@www.novabbs.com> <xHQxwI0qFFk4RXIOP_V9qQEYF6o@jntp> <03be6498d21bfde3edbac3669f10841c@www.novabbs.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: e-is5v4NuBLYZ9oPS3zGJTuSmXs JNTP-ThreadID: azmKI4HvnEJnqvnVFsjpWB8pljI JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=jAzCAJq8FVCKps9bXn3yDr5Sh4U@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Sat, 10 Aug 24 20:08:21 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-08-10T20:08:21Z/8982263"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> Bytes: 2796 Lines: 20 Le 10/08/2024 à 15:02, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit : > On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 9:02:41 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote: > Again, I don't know what you mean by "direct-live" neither do I know > what you mean by "certain geometric conditions" -- but I doubt that > "instantaneous information transport" can be achieved. It is realized universally every day. This horse in this meadow, this moon in the sky, this galaxy in this telescope, I perceive them because, precisely, it is about instantaneous transmission of information. This is what we call direct-live. If someone could breathe a little and blow, and no longer conceive the world stupidly, that is to say as taught by physicists who have understood nothing at all about Poincaré's transformations and where that should have led them, rather than inventing an abstract Minkowskian and ridiculous geometry, then we could perhaps fecilely carry out tests of instantaneous transmission of information, thanks, perhaps, to games of mirrors and polarizing glasses. A bit like Aspect had done. R.H.