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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:19:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Shakespeare, Donne, and the Venus and Adonis stanza From: mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:44:39 -0400 Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: newsSync 685997284 References: <ff2192c73bb060f0d6e6f44ad255e157@www.novabbs.com> Message-ID: <jGKdne3PXMgIMED6nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 28 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-N10/GueYZD+CWdQ3bAVubXRy8lLniR/yIEqajKjOwMiBCjcp323uuLLpEdeqzY8+pa973P3eLFsnDJZ!/TVHqqqWhyUDbZraHpsrLVAPmwH4I3/wjEDOIkYgzsEbnjc8NaEU1VZEL3xREoK04qdYbKYBym6y!sQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 > George J. Dance wrote: > I had an interesting conversation this morning with my "trusted source" > for poetry, which I'll introduce: X's AI, Grok. What happened was: > > I was adding a poem to PPB which uses the Venus and Adonis stanza, and I > noticed that my Penny's Poetry Pages wiki article on the stanza (which > I'd written years ago) claimed that Donne's poem "The Expiration" used > the stanza before Shakespeare did. That looked wrong to me, so (rather > than search for the information myself) I asked Grok, let him do the > searching, and spent a fun half-hour discussing it with him. The bottom > line was that I changed only one line in the wiki (to read that Donne > "possibly" wrote his poem before Shakespeare published his). but the > conversation was worth it. Here's a link to it (which I hope stays up): > > https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=1903089111889588654 > > I recommend that those interested in scholarship use Grok, who's a great > source of information (though he can be wrong too). X is free to use > (though I pay $8 a month for a blue check just to support X, a site I > admire). Interesting read. Thanks George! This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=685997072#685997072