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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Jamming Shimano Di2 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 10:45:53 -0700 Lines: 59 Message-ID: <jc94cj9pbjuihivcji58up9fg7v187c7op@4ax.com> References: <ona0cjlnpdmjv5c2r6nlm1ubb3mi4jqf55@4ax.com> <v9q8ov$1tr17$5@dont-email.me> <v9qj4u$1v8v2$5@dont-email.me> <v9qoum$20b68$4@dont-email.me> <xk7wO.494704$a6n5.352595@fx15.iad> <v9r1r3$21kpf$1@dont-email.me> <v9rdn4$22ued$7@dont-email.me> <v9t1sb$2dpu1$6@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net pMiG1POAMLbNUQB5gA1ARAwJPI31K4qu74vH9BxTWCR8j3zzO9 Cancel-Lock: sha1:frhEvQ78ycX+Pk52Fi3AJXP0hqo= sha256:oZOiVJQvLvaNFOAoLfeX1k8uRyfL5rYOW5gWAm5PTkE= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 3848 On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:52:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >On 8/17/2024 7:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >> On 8/17/2024 4:40 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>> >>> I'm not qualified to comment on specific technical methods >>> but I see the question as, 'Who would want to win a >>> bicycle race by cheating?'. >> >> This is only vaguely related, but what's the current status >> of the "hidden motor" racing scandal from a few years ago? >Infrared cameras. End of story. >https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/motor-hidden-bike-frame-stade-2-video-image-april-2016.jpg Detecting the heat produced by the motor only works immediately after a race or after a test ride. If the bicycle, motor and the rider have had time to cool off, an IR camera see much. I don't know how soon the bicycle needs to be inspected. IR inspection is practical if the officials only inspect the winners, but that leaves the possibility of non-winning finishers to bypass finish line inspections. However, finish line inspections fail miserably if the offending rider changes bicycles near the end of a stage or race. The could ride with almost the entire stage or race with motor assist, change bicycles, and pass any possible finish line inspection. It might be possible to inspect ALL the bicycles involved in a race, including those that have been replaced, but the logistics of doing that are probably impractical. Since most racing bicycles have carbon fiber frames and the brushless DC motors that are being used require powerful rare earth permanent magnets, it should be possible to detect the magnetic field. Even a MuMetal shielded magnet through a few mm of carbon fiber tubing with a compass, nail finder or magnetometer can be detected where no magnetic field belongs. I just tried it with a small brushless electric drill and the MEMS magnetomter in my smartphone. <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keuwl.magneticfieldcounter&hl=en_US> It indicated roughly 80 uT (micro Teslas) or 0.40 gauss from my Dewalt DCD777 hand drill though an aluminum tool box. The earth's magnetic field is about 40 uT and the motor is shielded. By moving next to the drill motor, it peaked at over 400 uT. If you're going to try repeating my crude test, be sure to set the app to |B| which is the absolute value of the vector sum of the magnetic field in all 3 axes. Soon, all pro bicycle computers will include a magnetometer to allow riders to test if their hidden downtube motor can be detected. Has anyone tried a giant rubber band down the seat tube? Wind up the seat post and saddle for an extra boost of power. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558