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From: jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Wistar Symposium "Mathematical Challenge to Neo-Darwinism".
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 07:22:19 -0400
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:16:53 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:

>jillery wrote:

<snip uncommented text>

>>>> Once again, your line of reasoning is based on your asinine
>>>> assumptions that "rapid" and "gradual" specify a particular amount =
of
>>>> change and a particular period of time.
>>>>
>>> No! Not particular: gradual change over time is evolutionary change =
over
>>> some time factor.
>>> Rapid Change could imply change over a comparatively short period =
time -
>>> say 100,000 years.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Rapid change *could* imply lots of things.  The point is, regardless
>> of the time period, it's still evolution.  Not sure how even you still
>> don't understand this.
>>=20
>The problem is we observe the results of evolutionary, and rarely if=20
>ever the actual evolution.


The problem is your comments above are incoherent gibberish. Add the
above to your previous nonsense, that "stasis is the exact opposite of
gradual change", and all you manage to prove is you have no idea what
you're talking about.


> What's
>observed is captured in a schematic demonstrating _evolution_ of a=20
>daughter species by a dotted line and stasis is depicted as a wavy line=20
>that ends up with the daughter line looking quite the same at the end as=
=20
>at the beginning.
>
> =
https://www.digitalatlasofancientlife.org/learn/evolution/punctuated-equi=
librium-and-stasis/


It's no surprise you don't understand your own cites.  Do everybody a
favor and try to explain how your cite above is evidence against
Darwinian evolution and for ID.


>>>   They do not.  You would know
>>>> this if you read anything without your cdesign proponentsists =
glasses.
>>>>
>>> The views I express are mine, not those of cdesign proponents.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Based on your posts, you're unambiguously a cdesign proponentist.  Not
>> sure how even you still don't recognize this.
>>=20
>I do recognize and acknowledge myself as intelligent design proponent.=20


And the difference between "intelligent design proponent" and "cdesign
proponentsist" is... ???  You don't say.  Why is that?


>As I see it, design is obvious and real, not apparent or an illusion as=20
>is described by Richard Dawkins.
>Dawkins defines "biology as the study of complicated things that give=20
>the appearance of having been designed for a purpose=E2=80=99, he =
believes that=20
>appearances are deceiving.  Biological things are designoid: =
=E2=80=98Designoid=20
>objects that look designed, so much so that some people =E2=80=93 =
probably,=20
>alas, most people =E2=80=93 think that they are designed.  These people =
are=20
>wrong,  the true explanation =E2=80=93 Darwinian natural selection =
=E2=80=93 is very=20
>different."
>
>Here is a quote from Richard Dawkins: =E2=80=9CBiology is the study of=20
>complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for=20
>a purpose.=E2=80=9D {Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 1}
>  Dawkins uses the word 'overwhelming' in his description of "apparent=20
>and illusionary design." =E2=80=9CNatural selection is the blind =
watchmaker,=20
>blind because it does not see ahead, does not plan consequences, has no=20
>purpose in view. Yet the living results of natural selection=20
>overwhelmingly impress us with the illusion of design and =
planning.=E2=80=9D=20
>{Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 21.}
>
>So, it's obvious that Dawkins a a professed atheist has no alternative,=20
>but to explain away deliberate, purposeful, observed design, then he=20
>turns to natural processes as a means of defense of his atheist bias by=20
>explaining away what could very well be observed as deliberate=20
>purposeful design to anyone who not committed.
>
>
>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D2597924


Once again, you jump from an incoherent ramble about Gould and PE to
an incoherent ramble about Dawkins and atheism, without even trying to
explain how anything you wrote disproves evolution or supports ID. Why
is that?

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