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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Privilege Levels Below User Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:56:16 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: <jwva5jodhdp.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> References: <jai66jd4ih4ejmek0abnl4gvg5td4obsqg@4ax.com> <h0ib6j576v8o37qu1ojrsmeb5o88f29upe@4ax.com> <2024Jun9.185245@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <38ob6jl9sl3ceb0qugaf26cbv8lk7hmdil@4ax.com> <2024Jun10.091648@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <o32f6jlq2qpi9s1u8giq521vv40uqrkiod@4ax.com> <3a691dbdc80ebcc98d69c3a234f4135b@www.novabbs.org> <k58h6jlvp9rl13br6v1t24t47t4t2brfiv@4ax.com> <5a27391589243e11b610b14c3015ec09@www.novabbs.org> <v4cpn6$1phq4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 16:56:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a7718b9e88ab33048a514445d1aeb032"; logging-data="2439124"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19ScSXerVjxAk6w/lu2KY4xecn/qoK7v0U=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tux8DJ5mXvdcEDwxqo6Ev3mIVf0= sha1:VfQ435NF173jn5l2w3aAbzpme/Q= Bytes: 2030 > Rowhammer can modify nearby lines, not just the ones that are being > hammered, right? How do you guarantee that all neighbors will also > be refreshed? I don't know the answer to this one. > Similarly, if the accesses are LOCK XADD operations, and you have multiple > CPUs (or cores not sharing a common last level cache, then I don't see any > way to avoid those accesses from making it all the way to the RAM chips? But I can answer that one: don't! I.e. the DRAM is attached to one and only one CPU. Any other CPU that wants to access that DRAM has to do it through that DRAM's CPU, which will make it pass through its shared "last level" cache. Stefan