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From: erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base?
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:08:48 -0800
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On 12/19/24 10:53 AM, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:05:50 -0800, erik simpson
> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/18/24 10:17 PM, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:10:27 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> God is eternally preexisting, nonmaterial, above and beyond time,
>>>> matter, energy, but creating and controlling these.
>>>
>>> If he's beyond time, on what stage or background does he do anything?
>>>
>>>> God conceived of all created things before they came into being.
>>>
>>>    How could we test this claim?
>>>
>>>> God spoke and there was...spacetime, matter, energy.
>>>
>>> More likely those things have just always existed, the same as this
>>> supposed god called God that you're talking about.
>>>
>>>> God created the initial low entropy state of the universe.
>>>
>>> Could it have been the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created this low
>>> entropy start for the universe?
>>>
>>>> God designed physics, the periodic table, etc, as building blocks
>>>> capable of being fashioned into all created things.
>>>
>>> What about those useless high-mass elements found further on in the
>>> periodic table?
>>>
>>>> God designed all living things and spoke them into being,
>>>
>>> Would it be possible to catch God in the act of speaking things into
>>> being?
>>>
>>>> either
>>>> directly, or indirectly through innate capacity for change and adaptation.
>>>
>>> How does this indirect creation relate to universal common descent of
>>> all living things?
>>>
>>>> Etc.
>>>
>>> Like what?
>>>
>> It'd be easy to catch God in the act.  All you is a critter cam.
> 
> Right.  Suddenly the Christian god is shy!
> 
He needn't be.  He's too big to fit in the frame anyway.