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From: john larkin <jl@650pot.com>
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Subject: Re: Students go after the hypocrites
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On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:42:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:39:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 09:01:41 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:27:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>>>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for
>>>>>>>> electronics design discussions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics
>>>>>> designs?
>>>>>
>>>>>My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, this
>>>>>group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic design
>>>>>becomes off-topic and deprecated.
>>>> 
>>>> It was declining anyhow.
>>>
>>>I don't believe so. Like you, I've been here for the best part of 30
>>>years and the s/n ratio's about the same now as it was then.
>>>
>>>> I think that people who can actually do component-level electronic
>>>> design are becoming rare. Kids in college type more than they solder.
>>>> I've had interns who are afraid of electricity and panic when I ask
>>>> them to analyze a 2-resistor voltage divider.
>>>> 
>>>> 10 volt battery feeding series 9K and 1K resistors. What's the voltage
>>>> across the 1K? They stutter and it's hilarious.
>>>
>>>You're not telling me these people have an EE degree FFS??
>> 
>> Interns are usually 3rd or 4th year EE students. "Uhh, I don't remember
>> that equation."
>> 
>> A  fun thing to do is to ask them about their senior EE project.
>> 
>> I have another quick test, to whiteboard a simple NPN emitter follower.
>> Intel is welcome to the ones that can't pass that!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> I took a tour of the Cornell EE school, and I counted screens. I saw
>>>> 23 computer screens and one oscilloscope.
>>>
>>>Oh dear.
>>>
>>>> If EE grads are any good, the semiconductor outfits scoop up the best.
>>>> 
>>>> It takes no skill to rant endlessly about politics. The thing I like
>>>> about circuit design is that it has to work and it doesn't take long
>>>> to find out if it does.
>>>
>>>My dear fellow, you're just going to have to become accustomed to this
>>>group moving over to politics increasingly over the next 5 months. AISI,
>>>this forthcoming election will be absolutely *critical* to world peace
>>>and I do wish more people would wake up to the peril we're in if Trump
>>>doesn't win come November.
>> 
>> There seems to be a trend for people to move from the left/right
>> fringes, towards the independent center. In other words, to show less
>> tribalism and a little common sense.
>
>That's definitely *not* the vibe I'm sensing from my present perspective 
>outside of the country.

Newspapers and web sites and political parties make money off taking
extreme positions. The dynamics pushes them away from center. The New
York Times doesn't report any more, they preach and screech.

In real life, the people I meet here are friendly and thoughtful and
not very concerned with politics.