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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: New York's Crackdown on Ebikes
Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 09:28:31 -0400
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On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:57:16 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/30/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/30/2025 1:43 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2025 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 5/30/2025 11:07 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:51 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/30/2025 9:16 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 30.05.2025 um 14:36 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 08:25:26 -0400, Zen Cycle 
>>>>>>>> <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 10:59 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 4:16 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 May 2025 21:36:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New York Times article on police cracking down on ebike traffic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> violations. Let's see if this will get people past the paywall:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/24/nyregion/ ebikes-scooters-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclists- nyc.html?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlocked_article_code=1.KE8.voH2.AOcHv0jrnp79&smid=url-share
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> “This is a direct attack on immigrant workers,” Ms. Guallpa 
>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is to criminalize workers and to create a situation 
>>>>>>>>>>>> where our
>>>>>>>>>>>> communities could be targets for deportation.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Typical NYT woke nonsense...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1 with the typical misdirection and conflation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Legal Resident Aliens (taxpaying, working people who cannot 
>>>>>>>>>>> vote) are
>>>>>>>>>>> ignored, along with US citizens. Criminal illegal aliens who, by
>>>>>>>>>>> Statute, cannot work and who are subject to summary 
>>>>>>>>>>> deportation by the
>>>>>>>>>>> same Statutes, are where her sympathies lie.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Damn. The right wing of this newsgroup is always on hair trigger!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The article contains over 2000 words. Of those, only about three
>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs mention immigrant delivery workers. The rest deals 
>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>> disparity between ebike and car enforcement policies, noting 
>>>>>>>>>> that cars
>>>>>>>>>> kill far, far more pedestrians. It doesn't even mention that NYC
>>>>>>>>>> life is
>>>>>>>>>> totally dominated by the negative effects of car traffic. Yet 
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> enraged about the comparatively minuscule effects of ebikes, 
>>>>>>>>>> and ebike
>>>>>>>>>> riders are in some ways being treated more harshly than car 
>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Look, I think ebike riders should ride legally. I think U.S. 
>>>>>>>>>> ebikes are
>>>>>>>>>> too fast, and/or should be legally treated more like motorcycles -
>>>>>>>>>> meaning integrated into traffic and kept off bike paths.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you guys ignore all that, blinded by the brief mention of
>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. You never fail to respond to right wing dog 
>>>>>>>>>> whistles, even
>>>>>>>>>> if  you have to blow the whistle yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Braindead magatards like the floriduh dumbass will consistently 
>>>>>>>>> look for
>>>>>>>>> a political scapegoat for any issue they have based their ignorant
>>>>>>>>> opinions on, as is shown by his parroting of magatard groupthink
>>>>>>>>> nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew isn't as bad as most but even he more recently is allowing
>>>>>>>>> himself to get sucked into the magatard groupthink propaganda - 
>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>> no evidence in that article to support "Criminal illegal 
>>>>>>>>> aliens....are
>>>>>>>>> where her sympathies lie."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since deportation only applies to people in the USA illegally, her
>>>>>>>> statement absolutely indicates her sympathies are with the illegals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deportation applies to people "presumed illegal" by the 
>>>>>>> administration,
>>>>>>> not only to people legally determined illegal.
>>>>>>> Sadly the current admisitration has declared people illegal and
>>>>>>> attempted to deport without due process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1, There have already been several well documented detentions and
>>>>>> attempted deportations of _legal_ immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mistakes were made. All were quickly corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>
>>>> Compare with some 20 million errors in the other direction in the 
>>>> past four years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, great, now you're on board with 'The Great Replacement' theory.
>>>
>>> Interesting that an admitted atheist would be supportive of blatantly 
>>> white christian nationalist fascism. Gee Andrew, who's going to be 
>>> there when they come for you?
>>>
>> 
>> I have no idea what you're raving about.
>
>yes you do, you're just unwilling to admit it.
>
>> 
>> Go find a blatant white Christian nationalist fascist who's expounding 
>> some 'replacement theory' and give her a piece of your mind.
>
>Just for everyone else's edification who might be ignorant:
>
>https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-twisted-logic-behind-the-rights-great-replacement-arguments/
>
>Don't try to feign ignorance Andrew, you're far too well-read and aware 
>for me to buy that bullshit.
>
>> 
>> Even SCOTUS agrees that open borders as fiat policy is unlawful:
>> 
>> https://apnews.com/article/trump-supreme-court-immigration- 
>> deportation-8bc46820c6444fbb3540c09764e32905
>
>WTF? Are you taking kunich lessons now? You changed the subject then 
>posted a link which doesn't support your claim.
>
>1) we weren't discussing open borders, we were discussing due process 
>for deportation of illegal immigrants.
>
>2) your website doesn't address open borders, it addresses revoking 
>_legal_ status for asylum seekers. The first sentence states:
>
>"The Supreme Court on Friday again cleared the way for the Trump 
>administration to strip temporary legal protections from hundreds of 
>thousands of immigrants".
>
>Regardless of your attempted distraction, the premise floated in this 
>forum by the floriduh dumbass that illegal aliens have no due process 
>protection is flat out wrong.
>
>https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-5/removal-of-aliens-who-have-entered-the-united-states
>"Despite the government’s broad power over immigration, the Supreme 
>Court has recognized that aliens who have physically entered the United 
>States generally come under the protective scope of the Due Process 
>Clause, which applies “to all ‘persons’ within the United States, 
>including aliens, whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful, 
>temporary, or permanent.”"
>

From Junior's cite:

"The Supreme Court’s jurisprudence indicates that, although aliens
present within the United States generally have due process
protections, the extent of those constitutional protections may depend
on certain factors, including whether the alien has been lawfully
admitted"

By the way...  Didn't someone recently complain about politics in RBT?

--
C'est bon
Soloman