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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Awfully quiet in here...
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:55:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/9/2024 12:03 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:54:47 -0500, Cryptoengineer
>> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> D=A0 <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Idaho.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or Montana.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking =
about in
>>>>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about =
Wyoming,
>>>>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also =
recommended
>>>>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that
>>>>>> was one
>>>>>> recommendation as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different =
locations
>>>>> with
>>>>> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like =
the
>>>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole =
(because
>>>>> neither side does).
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different
>>>> cultures depending on the area you are in.
>>>>
>>>>> You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing.=A0 =
It is
>>>>> almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel =
like
>>>>> you are nowhere.=A0 I find that pleasant for a while, but not =
long-term.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
>>>> middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is=
 not
>>>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all =
that
>>>> stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3
>>>> hours by car from some kind of bigger city. =3D(
>>>>
>>>>> You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have=
 an
>>>>> intense interest in personal independence.=A0 Unfortunately it is =
also
>>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they =
could
>>>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they =
brought
>>>>> their problems with them to Alaska.
>>>>
>>>> Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that =
could
>>>> work! ;)
>>>
>>> Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
>>> interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
>>> scheme
>>>
>>> The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
>>> to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
>>> $1200 - $3000 being typical.
>>=20
>> Actually, it's more of a "everybody gets a share of the profits from
>> our oil" program.
>>=20
>> And its taxable federally. Even the checks sent to the kids.
>
>How does that work? The minimum income for Federal taxes is
>$13,850. The checks don't come anywhere near that. Is it that
>they family has to file jointly?

My experience was 20 years ago when I worked for the IRS. So the
answers then may not apply now. I might recommend consulting Pub 17,
which should contain at least a summary and a referral to something
more detailed if not the full details themselves.

Also, I worked very few cases, so any comments I make might, in
theory, identify one or the other, which would be a violation of
=46ederal law (release of confidential tax information).

>> The whole point of UBI is that the UBI itself is not taxed. Only
>> additional income is taxed.
>>=20
>> Whether this is actually a good idea is a good question. But in 200
>> years, when most jobs are done by machines and positions filled by
>> humans are filled either by lottery (the losers -- rather, draftees --
>> serve) or the courts ("I sentence you to be City Manager for three
>> years") because nobody wants to work since most people can not for
>> lack of job availability.
>>=20
>> But as long as we have more jobs than people to employ, UBI is
>> probably not ready for prime time.
>
>I"m actually fully in favor of UBI, but it seems to run
>contrary to 'D's seemingly Objectivist philosophy.
>
>ObSF: I first heard of the idea of a UBI in PJF's
>"Riders of the Purple Wage".
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"