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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:04:10 +0000 From: john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The emitter-coupled monostable as slow differential amplifer Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 14:04:10 -0700 Message-ID: <l19o9j98qbvce13jqj9hsgfhpkoqc44qjq@4ax.com> References: <v7fi14$3dev4$1@dont-email.me> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-Q1UEYoOawy0lh8iN8NMQ3t4Ct2xpQJX/ER6Yd7cj6Hz+O0v2bKnst4v2YZY8pgHmh7z1UHBHraHIls8!6On31nTq9KhFyQh3r0urOnlUR78fnurz6FkZHziEQ4mH/o6iVrdGiZTn6pPmPFpMbYiZOKLK/mif!Nk5dCA== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2415 On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:29:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >About a month ago John Larkin dismissed the emitter coupled monostable >with "It's really a slow diffamp, not a one-shot." > >If you feed a really slow pulse into it, it can look that way. >The 3.3pf capacitor at C1 doesn't feed through much current if you drive >the input with a slow edge > >The simulation below demonstrates it working exactly that way. > >No sensible circuit designer would deliberately drive it with a very >slowly rising and falling pulse - if you want it to work as a >monostable pulse stretcher, you have to drive it with a pulse that is >narrower than the one you want to get out. > >Integrated circuit monostables don't have that limitation, but they are >more complicated, and slower. There was an ECL monostable that went down >to 10nsec, but the emitter-coupled monostable lets you get down to >1nsec, if you use it right. > That wasn't my point. My comment wasn't about the trigger risetime but that if you put in a long trigger, you get a long output. It's hardly a one-shot. The input and output levels are weird too. If course a proper one-shot should fire cleanly on a fast or slow rising edge. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/idliehdrx7dr5fnffr4f9/28S505A.pdf?rlkey=gkmhx0r2fe4clu4qf98qoig03&dl=0