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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: (Tears) Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber Date: 26 Mar 2024 05:22:26 GMT Organization: loft Lines: 155 Message-ID: <l6f4ciFo37nU1@mid.individual.net> References: <utp7bl$d3l$1@reader1.panix.com> <utsuim$1bofd$2@dont-email.me> <l6eo67FmaumU1@mid.individual.net> <uttkh9$1k8de$1@dont-email.me> X-Trace: individual.net J+T9Lq2QPh2hAUUE5ef8HwkL8HRtCagPXrtbPa9B4AaZoPiKfa X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:Lniu5T9vIGf3psxI+rGSEsuXv+4= sha256:mHY7yWIIaY7iz+dZuZijK9CUgDMhBYa9dml/v/rhhpE= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Bytes: 8601 In article <uttkh9$1k8de$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >On 3/25/2024 8:54 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> In article <utsuim$1bofd$2@dont-email.me>, >> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 3/24/2024 11:53 AM, Robert Woodward wrote: >>>> In article <utp7bl$d3l$1@reader1.panix.com>, >>>> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber >>>>> >>>>> Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged >>>>> to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar >>>>> adventure! >>>>> >>>>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references >>>> >>>> So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>>> have read? >>> >>> I enjoyed the Heinlein book that Spider Robinson finished, "Variable Star". >>> https://www.amazon.com/Variable-Star-Tor-Science-Fiction/dp/0765351684/ >>> >> >> Interesting! Somehow I never heard of that. I'll put it on the wish list. > >There were two books found after Heinlein's death. The first was >"Variable Star" which was unfinished, an early work, and Spider Robinson >finished it. It was published in 2006 I think. > >The other book is "The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About >Parallel Universes" which was completed before "The Number Of The Beast" >and put into Heinlein's things for some reason. It was found and >published in 2019. I have bought it but not read it yet as I am >thinking about how reread the books starting with "I Will Fear No Evil". > I read "The Number Of The Beast" back in 1983 or 1985. > >https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Pankera-Parallel-Novel-Universes/dp/1647100291/ >and > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Number_of_the_Beast_(novel) > >Lynn > *That* one I read: ==== The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About Parallel Universes by Robert A. Heinlein https://amzn.to/2WCNafL I read _The Number of the Beast_ back in the day. Honestly I don't recall it all that well, but I know I found it underwhelming, with some good parts, and then a lot of bickering about "lifeboat rules" and "white mutinies" followed by an ending that didn't really address the threat that was the impetus to the plot. For some reason, while he was writing TNOTB, Heinlein was also writing _The Pursuit of the Pankera_, using the same characters and starting point while taking the story in a different direction. Perhaps he was making a point about the Many Worlds theory, alternate history and characters who more than half suspect they are fictional. Again, for some reason, he decided not to publish _The Pursuit of the Pankera_ after TNOTB. In general I would say he should have done the opposite and kept TNOTB in the trunk. TPOTP is a much more fun book, not as bogged down in blind alleys as Beast, and spends more time in interesting places. I am struck, as well, by something I totally missed when reading The Number Of The Beast back in the day. Despite all the invocations of Doc Smith, I somehow did not see that at least the first third of the book is a recapitulation of Smith's _The Skylark of Space_ (the first space opera): Two bantering couples, a brilliant scientist and man of action, a deadly menace and a wonderful new conveyance to unimagined worlds. To take it even a bit further, Smith was to some extent lampooning Burroughs, with his naked, martial Martians, so that the Skylark's first destination "Osnome" is modeled on (and sounds like) "Barsoom". In Pankera Heinlein goes to the original but even has the Earth party do the doubletalk grandiose introductions to the natives that Smith pioneered. The book opens at a campus party where Zebadiah John Carter, a man with many escapades in his past who nonetheless enjoys playing the campus dilettante, quickly meets Deja Thoris Burroughs, the young woman who will be his bride, her brilliant mathematician father Jake, who has been desperately trying to get in touch with him, and somebody who is trying to kill them all, including the party's hostess, Hilda Corners, who unknown to Carter (or to her) is his imminent mother-in-law. Making a quick escape in Zeb's flying car (we are at some indefinite point in the future), the foursome quickly tie the knots in whirlwind courtships and go to ground to try and figure out what is going on. What that is, is that apparently some nonhuman species has infested the Earth and has it violently in for anybody with enough mathematical talent to figure out where they came from, or how to escape. Jake had, in fact, been seeking out Zeb under the assumption (for complicated reasons) that he was also a brilliant mathematician. He's not. But he *does* have the practical engineering skill to adapt Seaton's (ah, I mean Burroughs's) discoveries into a multiuniversal drive which will fit in _Gay Deceiver_, the aforementioned flying car. With that barely done, the foursome bugs out just in advance of a nuclear strike on their bolt-hole and decides that Earth is no longer safe. A few adjustments and misadventures behind them, they find themselves at Mars in a parallel universe and decide to take a rest stop.. To find themselves on Barsoom, hosted by Carthoris, Thuvia and the original Dejah Thoris (the warlord, whom Zeb has put out is his cousin is off on adventures). Of course trouble has a way of following one (or four)... Although Zeb is essentially the main character, the story is told in alternating first person sections, narrated by each of Zeb, Hilda, Deety & Jake. This works pretty well, though Deety has an "I'm X, I am" tic that can be annoying, and each of the characters is distinct. This was a fun book, better, as I said, than "the original". My main criticism would be that he still doesn't totally "stick" the ending, though it is better than TNOTB. After a whole book of pretty much "real time" adventures, we suddenly go into fast forward mode where there are a bunch of kids we never get to know, and the foursome go off on a genocidal tear (that is not a good look for them), before getting it under control and deciding to actually address the threat seriously. And we are just about to see that happen (with a whole bunch of cast additions that we have our suspicions about, but which said are never wholly addressed) when the book ends. Granted we know that they are going to carry the day, and all live through the battle, but it's a bit of an anti-climax, and still never really addresses the underpinnings of the threat. Also, be aware this is late period Heinlein, so you have ideas on sexual liberation from a man born in 1907, and who has very firm ideas on sex roles. Of course, I think he turned it up to 11 to make some heads explode on purpose, but yeah, those heads are going to explode. (Mine just hurt a bit). As for the trunk-novel status of the book.. There were a few places where there were some obvious needs for edits (one chapter was almost 100% dialogue for instance, so that apparently Heinlein forgot whose chapter it was and dropped into third person at one point), and a few spots that could have used another draft (Carthoris came across looking too naive at one point, for instance), but in general this is well flowing, sure-footed Heinlein prose. If you are asking yourself: Did Lazarus Long show up like he did in TNOTB? The answer is.. maybe. On the Late Heinlein scale, this is closer to _Friday_ than anything else, so if you detest LH, you may still like this one. I did. -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..