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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.fandom Subject: Re: Babel Date: 28 Mar 2024 13:51:39 GMT Organization: loft Lines: 63 Message-ID: <l6lavbFnokgU1@mid.individual.net> References: <us5st0$485$1@panix2.panix.com> <uu2b2g$34s12$1@dont-email.me> <0ee80714-fdeb-d8d2-b611-54b77e0251ac@example.net> <l6l7vlFn3uoU1@mid.individual.net> X-Trace: individual.net 0Ef16gkJl2s4a5Iv9Lp7+QH7D6+CnXnp0UcyNWVNfbiOrTTmN0 X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:2nq/hDVuEgTHvTOMyEUHSJMCua8= sha256:uGEDEEdwozAo7/1vbh0hXT0JrJ15wVAW5rdfmbtUNWs= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Bytes: 3130 In article <l6l7vlFn3uoU1@mid.individual.net>, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote: >On 2024-03-28, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> >>> On 3/27/2024 5:46 PM, Tim Illingworth wrote: >>>> On 3/27/2024 7:47 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains. Russia has >>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not. >>>>> >>>>> pt >>>>> >>>> December 1814 not count? >>> >>> It was certainly an invasion, but 'one' is not 'many'. >>> >>> The point is, Russia has the notion of 'we're >>> going to get invaded again, unless we push out >>> the borders'. The US doesn't - its last mainland >>> invasion was over 200 years ago. >>> >>> Putin, and other Russian propagandists, are fond >>> of saying things like 'Russia has no border', meaning >>> that neighboring states independence is an unfortunate >>> circumstance which needs fixing. >>> >>> Once again, learn about 'Russki Mir' >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_world >>> >>> The only solution I can see is the breakup of Russia. >> >> I listened to a youtube lecture of someone from the finnish military who >> studieds russia all his life, and he agreed with the deeply rooted >> paranoia of russia, and that it explains a lot about why they act the way >> they do. > >obSF: _The Moon Goddess and the Sun_, Kingsbury was a 1986 novel that >as one thread had an immersive virtual reality "game" used for >Americans to understand this "deeply rooted paranoia of Russia" and >the related addiction to strong-man dictatorships. > >The novel was actually a very good collection of ideas for the time, a >Favorite bookcase book, that failed as a novel, IMO, due to its >lack of coherence. It was an expansion of an earlier Hugo nominated >novella and added more neat ideas but lost its plot focus. > >Kingsbury didn't write much but he had nice fresh ideas. > >Chris This might be the Finnish briefing from above; I found it very interesting: https://ricochet.com/1214468/finnish-intelligence-officer-explains-the-russian-mindset/ I think Kingsbury's _Courtship Rite_ is a great book, but it seems to be almost forgotten now. -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..