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On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 18:35:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 9/23/2024 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:48:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 9/21/2024 10:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>> On 9/21/24 17:55, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>> On 9/21/2024 4:49 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/21/24 11:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2024 8:01 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:00:55 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Australia is buying several Virgina class attack submarines =
from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> USA.=A0 One wonders what armament those subs will have.
>>>>>>>>>>>  =A0=A0=A0=A0 =
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yup - but there's a huge difference between using a nuclear
>>>>>>>>>> reactor to
>>>>>>>>>> boil steam to drive turbines which drive the sub (which is the=
 usual
>>>>>>>>>> propulsion method in nuclear submarines) and submarines =
carrying
>>>>>>>>>> nuclear weapons (usually missiles). SSBNs are almost always =
nuclear
>>>>>>>>>> powered but carry nuclear missiles as opposed to SSNs which =
refers
>>>>>>>>>> only to the propulsion system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SSNs carry Tomahawks.=A0 Look up TLAM-N.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tomahawks have a much shorter range and smaller payload capacity=
 than
>>>>>>>> the strategic missiles carried by SSBNs.=A0 The nukes on =
Tomahawks are
>>>>>>>> "tactical" warheads, not city killers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hiroshima was 15kt.=A0=A0 It doesn't take much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0That bomb was barely functional and did not begin =
to realize
>>>>>> its power but still was a horror unleashed on a largely wooden =
city
>>>>>> and totally unsuspecting citizens. Read last "Train from =
Hiroshima"
>>>>>> by the way it went to Nagasaki. The Nagasaki bomb functioned =
better
>>>>>> but was mistargeted.=A0 Still horrible times for the populations.
>>>>>> But it has some descriptions of the hell world after the bombing
>>>>>> that are more vivid than the descriptions in the next item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0About Hiroshima there is a classic manga by a =
young man who
>>>>>> survived as a child protected by a stone wall from a blast that
>>>>>> evaporated his teacher standing by.
>>>>>>  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0"Gen of Hiroshima", "Barefoot Gen", and "I saw it"=
 are some of
>>>>>> titles used but Keiji Nakazawa, recently deceased was the author. =
He
>>>>>> lost his whole family.=A0 His father was very unpopular because of=
 his
>>>>>> out-spoken pacifism and i believe that Keiji Nakazawa has a =
particular
>>>>>> POV.=A0 Gen was widely translated and distributed by the =
anti-nuclear
>>>>>> and peace movements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its a member of a fairly small list of books and films about the =
actual
>>>>> effects of nuclear war, as opposed to using one to set up a Mad Max=
 type
>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>   > Gen of Hiroshima
>>>>   =A0I have seen watched it once and have a file of it here.
>>>>   =A0=A0=A0=A0The manga goes on from the end of the film and
>>>> it runs to 12 volumes. Whenever I see volume 1 at the
>>>> SFPL-main I will pick it up and begin to re-read the
>>>> story, I have read it at least twice and if I had more
>>>> money and more room I would have my own set.
>>>>> Threads
>>>>> The War Game
>>>>> The Day After
>>>>
>>>>   =A0=A0=A0=A0I think I have seen this on late night TV. Not too
>>>> impressive. It might be time to tranlate "Last Train
>>>> from Hiroshima" from text into a Live Action film with the
>>>> special effects now available.
>>>>
>>> In development at 20th Century Fox.
>>=20
>> I happened, a while back to run across two anime films set in the late
>> war/post-war eras.
>>=20
>> One was about the inhabitants of an island that was occupied by the
>> Soviets.
>>=20
>> The other was about people who lived near Hiroshima.
>>=20
>> To me, it looked like two efforts to come to grips with the past. Is
>> that, by any chance, a "thing" in current Japanese culture?
>>=20
>> To which /Godzilla Minus One/ could be added, as it is set in the same
>> time frame. Although clearly not entirely realistic; but at least it's
>> more or less on topic.
>
>Sort of.  The Original Godzilla movies were part of the same thing.  And=
=20
>there are limits on Japanese military activities written into their=20
>constitutions IIRC.  (Which were recently loosened because of the=20
>increasing threats from China, Russia and North Korea.)  The loss of WW2=
=20
>and the associated mass destruction, not just from the nukes but there=20
>were a sharp poke in the eye, has had a traumatic effect on Japanese=20
>culture.  Not really a surprise.

I don't doubt it, and don't forget the fire-bombing of Tokyo, which
killed more civilians than /either/ atomic bomb. Just took longer.

But, having seen three films set in this general period fairly
recently, I was asking if there is /currently/ a focus on
understanding that part of their past?
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"