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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!fdn.fr!usenet-fr.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <lCOxaQRvJu9aupwBdiiuPvUmqVI@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: Incorrect mathematical integration References: <EKV4LWfwyF4mvRIpW8X1iiirzQk@jntp> <f8e832e315096ba2ae9be122369cbfdc@www.novabbs.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: t4V8SsdCv-P6vi35sgM__OTdbOM JNTP-ThreadID: Ptg0buW51I-Cbbzx-mVW15r6pQg JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=lCOxaQRvJu9aupwBdiiuPvUmqVI@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Fri, 19 Jul 24 21:58:01 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/126.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-07-19T21:58:01Z/8955660"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> Bytes: 2611 Lines: 35 Le 19/07/2024 à 23:45, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit : > On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 19:51:32 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote: >> formula that is w=(v +u)/(1+v.u/c²) or here w=0.8c. >> <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?EKV4LWfwyF4mvRIpW8X1iiirzQk@jntp/Data.Media:1> > That's not a valid comparison, Dr. H. Yes, I think the comparison is quite good. When someone asks me a question about adding speeds, and seems to believe that all this is Newtonian, I point out to them that there are precise laws, and that we cannot do what we want in relativity. I therefore explain that you must use either: <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?lCOxaQRvJu9aupwBdiiuPvUmqVI@jntp/Data.Media:1> Either : <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?lCOxaQRvJu9aupwBdiiuPvUmqVI@jntp/Data.Media:2> Depending on whether we work at observable speeds or at real speeds (quickly, I am told, but I don't have this term). The same goes for Paul's mathematically very correct formula, but which does not apply, for me, in RR, and which gives a false result for proper times. Paul adds up all the small improper segments of time, because he thinks a priori he can do it without problem. Now, in fact, an immense problem arises, we cannot do it, but the trap is terrible. R.H.