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From: Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
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Subject: Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete
 with Android
Date: 11 Jul 2024 15:59:31 GMT
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On 2024-07-10, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-10 13:50, badgolferman wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-10, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-10 10:52, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-09 17:20, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>> badgolferman wrote on Tue, 9 Jul 2024 23:43:37 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What the iPhone SE has that the Nothing phone doesn�t is iOS.
>>>>>>>> That alone is worth it to many people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi badgolferman,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll never hear me disagree with a sensibly logical statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So thanks for pointing that out, which, as you're likely aware, is
>>>>>>> almost completely due to pure marketing spending (not R&D spending)
>>>>>>> by Apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the
>>>>>>> lowest in high tech - while Apple's marketing spend is one of the
>>>>>>> highest on earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marketing alone, e.g., convincing people to believe that the Apple
>>>>>>> ecosystem is safer and more secure, is what drives that high
>>>>>>> demand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not functionality. Not performance. Not capabilities.  Marketing
>>>>>>> alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the response you got, BGM....
>>>>>
>>>>> What specifically in his response do you object to?
>>>>
>>>> All of his utterly baseless claims.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really need them pointed out?
>>>
>>> Nah, he knows they are there and has no problem with them, but is just
>>> afraid to say it. 😉
>> 
>> Afraid of what?
>> 
>> Why are you so wrong all the time? I wanted to know what he found
>> objectionable so those specific items could be addressed.
>
> OK... ...play ignorant:
>
> 'As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the lowest in 
> high tech'
>
> That is false.
>
> Currently, Apple spends more on R&D than all but 3 companies: Amazon, 
> Alphabet Inc., and Facebook (Meta).
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_by_research_and_development_spending>
>
> He justifies this falsehood, by looking at R&D as a percentage of 
> revenue, but that is utterly specious.
>
> 'while Apple's marketing spend is one of the highest on earth.'
>
> And suddenly, he switches to absolute values (if he even bothered to 
> look the figures up at all).
>
> Either way, he's completely bullshitting. In Apple's latest annual 
> report, they list marketing expenses in with "Other corporate expenses" 
> and that total comes to $6.672 billion.
>
><https://s2.q4cdn.com/470004039/files/doc_earnings/2023/q4/filing/_10-K-Q4-2023-As-Filed.pdf>
>
> Compare this with Amazon who breaks out sales and marketing together is, 
> and the figure is:
>
> $42.238 billion.
>
><https://s2.q4cdn.com/299287126/files/doc_financials/2024/ar/Amazon-com-Inc-2023-Annual-Report.pdf>
>
> How's that?
>
>:-)

You're clearly doing it wrong. We're all supposed to ignore reality and
instead swallow Arlen's alternative "facts" since he "is here only to
educate" the "stupid religious Apple zealots". And badgolferman is "just
asking questions".

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