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From: vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
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Subject: Linux at scale (was: Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
<v8cjq4$1f67q$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT):
>>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc
>>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
>>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>    Ah ... wunnerful Winders  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>    It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ...
>>>>
>>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic
>>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture.
>>>
>>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo.
>> 
>> You mean polkit?
> 
> 	No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0."
> <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/>
> 	Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even
> more problems.  "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su".
> which invoked superuser privileges.  You had to use  your root
> account password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke
> the same privileges you can use your user accont passwork.
> 	Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too
> much of their projected userbase to remember User account
> password and root password.

Actually, sudo(8) isn't a bad implementation of su(8), it's
just "different".

You can set sudo to use the root password, which is what I do
for my personal systems.  Requiring the user password is default,
and works better for systems with shared administration where
you have to control what the person runs.

For cases where you have multiple (remote) administrators that need
"root" access, that's better handled with ssh keys and
clever key management on the target host.  Another way to
handle it is separate usernames (e.g. "suvallor") that have
their own home directory, but uid/gid 0.

Quite a few of our systems are multi-user.  Even used to have
a customer shell server until demand for that dried up.  Right
now, one system is used by employees who need to run tools that
interface with our back end systems.  Login credentials are handled
with Active Directory, the domain of which is joined with sssd(8).

> 	The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su".
> 
> bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11

Nice!  I've said for a few years now that Linux _is_ ready for
most home users, as well as enterprise desktops.

For example, we use MS Teams at work -- I'm not happy about
it, but I can use it from Linux through the web site.  Same
goes for MS Office.

The problem is you can't take your Linux laptop to (say) Best
Buy and expect them to help with a problem.  The legendary
"year of the Linux desktop" won't happen until there's some
kind of _local_ support network in place.  And a lot of folks
will get help with their Windows systems from a relative, who
is more likely to have Windows experience than Linux chops.

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   OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G