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From: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject: Re: "Time" vs "physical time"
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2024 07:30:21 +0200
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Am Donnerstag000008, 08.08.2024 um 09:39 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 08.08.2024 o 08:46, Thomas Heger pisze:
>> Am Dienstag000006, 06.08.2024 um 12:21 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>> W dniu 06.08.2024 o 11:15, Richard Hachel pisze:
>>>> Le 06/08/2024 à 10:02, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>> When a real person in the real world
>>>>> says "time" - he/she doesn't refer
>>>>> to your mystical crap at all. The
>>>>> word usually means one of zone times
>>>>> or UTC; TAI is referred rarely, but it
>>>>> is still important. NONE of them is
>>>>> observer dependent.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why The Shit is opposed so
>>>>> fiercely by "laymen". Whet they
>>>>> refer as "time" simply doesn't
>>>>> have those absurd properties invented
>>>>> by your idiot guru for pseudotime he
>>>>> liked.
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand what you're saying.
>>>> Of course, solar time depends on the person's location
>>> None of the mentioned above is "solar time".
>>>
>>>
>>>> But where I think you're making a mistake is when you think that we 
>>>> can adjust this with a universal clock, independent of the sun, and 
>>>> which would give a universal time.
>>>> This conception is false, and any clock can only give a local time.
>>>
>>> B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.
>>> Time was never local and it's not
>>> going to become local just because some
>>> idiots want it to.  We can set clocks to
>>> whatever we want. And we don't want to set
>>> them to your local idiocy. Face it.
>>>
>>>
>> Time is a local phenomenon, 
> 
> It is neither local, nor a phenomenon.
> "Time in the meaning of a physicist/wannabe physicist"
> may be both in their precious mystical gedankenwelts, but
> the entities referred as "time" by sane people in the real
> world - UTC, TAI, zone times - are coordinates: abstract,
> human made, purely virtual. And, last but not least -
> observer independent.

Anything observable is a phenomenon.

Since time is observable, I call it a (locally observable) phenomenon.

And time is not a coordinate!

The idea of time is based on counting repeated events, which occur at a 
(seemingly) constant frequency.

You may eventually 'serialise' such a process of counting and draw 
something on a chart.

In this case time would be a coordinate.

But such a chart ins't a natural phenomenon, but a manmade artifact.


TH