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From: Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com>
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Subject: Re: OT Politics Re: Three Body Problem
Date: 6 Sep 2024 22:39:02 GMT
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On 2024-09-06, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2024 19:53:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
><blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>>On 9/5/24 10:42, BCFD 36 wrote:
>>> On 9/3/24 13:15, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 08:11:29 -0700, Paul S Person
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>> 
>>>> I would have thought it was mostly (a) to ensure only citizens voted
>>>> and (b) that nobody attempted to vote twice (though in a recent
>>>> election there was a scandal concerning one group of immigrants who
>>>> professed not to speak English but were caught going from station to
>>>> station voting multiple times - we're talking about a team of about
>>>> 20-30 individuals who were though to have voted 15-20 times each)
>>>>
>>> 
>>> I would be very interested to know where this happened.
>>> 
>>	Another rumor put out by the loser in 2000.
>>	So far the only voters doing things illegally have
>>been Native Born White American Republicans.
>
> I don't think that's entirely fair.
>
> I think one of the "sister acts" (surviving sister voted for both
> herself and her deceased sister) involved votes for Democrats.
>
> But these minor problems were not only caught but did not influence
> the elections they occurred in. IOW, nobody won or lost by 1 vote.
>
> It is, however, true that all the spectacular stuff (forcing a House
> District election to be completely redone, alternate Elector slates
> done so incompetently that those on them are liable to trial, ballots
> so confusing that votes for the Republican candidate actually went to
> a thrid party candidate in Florida in 2000, etc, etc) was done by
> Republicans. Since, say, 2000 or so anyway.

Really? I suppose given your own definition of spectacular...
Here's a couple easily found just in Democratic primaries:

   The results of the City of Bridgeport, Connecticut Democratic
   mayoral primary election, which was held on September 12, 2023,
   were overturned due to absentee ballot fraud in an election where
   only 251 votes separated the winner (Joseph Ganim) and the loser
   (John Gomes). Superior Court Judge William Clark ordered that a new
   primary election between Ganim (the party-endorsed candidate) and
   Gomes (the challenger) should be held because an unusually large
   number of absentee ballots that were counted had been illegally
   placed in drop boxes by two unauthorized ballot distributors who
   were Ganim supporters: Wanda Geter-Pataky (a Democratic Town
   Committee member and the Leader of Voting District 136) and Eneida
   Martinez (a candidate for City Council). The court determined that
   videos of Geter-Pataky and Martinez illegally dropping off stacks
   of votes into various drop boxes “provided evidence of ballot
   harvesting, in violation of state law.” Geter-Pataky made 10 drops
   either directly or indirectly, and Martinez made 5 separate drops
   of multiple ballots. The court also found “the volume of ballots
   mishandled is such it calls the result of the primary election in
   serious doubt and unable to determine the legitimate result of the
   primary.”

   Judge Jeff Weill overturned the results of the June 2020 First Ward
   Alderman Democratic primary election in Aberdeen, Mississippi, due
   to absentee ballot fraud, and has ordered a new election. Nicholas
   Holliday was declared the winner of the June primary by a margin of
   37 votes over Robert Devaull. After Devaull filed a lawsuit
   challenging the results of the race, the Monroe County District
   court found that 66 of the 84 absentee ballots cast should not have
   been counted because they were not valid. A notary, Dallas Jones,
   was arrested for election fraud for notarizing ballots without
   watching voters sign ballots or checking their identification. In
   addition to the absentee ballot fraud, the court found evidence of
   intimidation at the polls by various public officials, including
   Mayor Maurice Howard, candidate Holliday, and Aberdeen Police Chief
   Henry Randle, which constituted violations of anti-electioneering
   rules at polling places.

Locally, we had the duly anointed Democratic Congressional candidate,
Wendy Rosen, who had to withdraw after she was found guilty of voting
in both Maryland and Florida for two presidential elections. (I agree,
not a spectacular effect, but a rather spectacular sense of
privilege.)

Chris