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From: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject: Re: Yes, t'=t in GPS.
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 09:37:30 +0200
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Am Samstag000007, 07.09.2024 um 09:49 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 07.09.2024 o 09:26, Thomas Heger pisze:
>> Am Freitag000006, 06.09.2024 um 12:22 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>> W dniu 06.09.2024 o 12:16, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>> Am Donnerstag000005, 05.09.2024 um 10:26 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>> W dniu 05.09.2024 o 08:57, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>> Am Mittwoch000004, 04.09.2024 um 23:10 schrieb Python:
>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2024 à 23:03, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>> W dniu 04.09.2024 o 21:30, Python pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2024 à 20:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 04.09.2024 o 19:48, gharnagel pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:09:57 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> St. John the Divine was warning Warped Wozniak, the
>>>>>>>>>>> bald-faced liar:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> St John (fuck his absurd threats anyway) won't
>>>>>>>>>> help,  t'=t in GPS,  at least if by t, t' we
>>>>>>>>>> mean clock  indications.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How such t and t' are clock indications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the own definition of
>>>>>>>> your [Einstein] - time is "what clocks
>>>>>>>> indicate",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't be lazy, Wozniak, read! "time is "what clocks indicate" is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is wrong!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time does not depend on clocks, because clocks are manmade artifacts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they? And so is time, except that it is
>>>>> an abstract.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrist-watches, for instance, are tiny machines.
>>>>
>>>> But those machines are made by human beings.
>>>>
>>>> It would make no sense at all to assume, that nature would produce 
>>>> wrist-watches or cares, whether or not humans do.
>>>
>>>> Therefore time is not related to watches!
>>>
>>> Nope. Therefore time is not related to nature.
>>>
>>
>> Physics is a natural science.
> 
> There is nothing natural in physics or any
> other domain of science. And time is not a
> natural entity - neither UTimeC, nor TimeAI,
> nor any of zone times nor any other time
> existing.


All natural sciences (like e.g. biology or cosmology) observe natural 
things, which exist outside of the realm of human interventions.

This is what I would call 'natural science'.

The realm within our influence is not really science, but - for 
instance- engineering.

> 
>>
>> Most people think otherwise and confuse physics with engineering.
>>
>> But that's wrong, because the objects of physics aren't machines, but 
>> things, which we observe in nature.
> 
> You've never observed a time, you've
> just imagined it. Sorry.

Well, possibly...

BUT: we observe natural phenomena, which have a certain frequency.

For instance, we observe day and night or the rythims of the seasons.

These are natural phenomena and indicate, that nature does in fact use 
something, what we humans call 'time'.


TH