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From: Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com>
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On 2024-09-25, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/25/2024 8:58 AM, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net>,
>>> D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> Certainly in this group, anything that even remotely
>>>> contradicts the narrative of man made global warming is never
>>>> taken into account or ever discussed.
>>>
>>> My position remains the same -- whether or not CO2 increases
>>> cause global warming, to quote JEP, this is an uncontrolled
>>> experiment on our biosphere that we probably shouldn't be doing
>>> unless and until we know a lot more about what we're doing.
>>>
>>> But ...
>>>
>>> We are in a Catch 22.  Trying to run techological civilization
>>> on exclusively "sunny days when the wind is blowing" energy
>>> is impossible.  To the extent the attempt is compelled by force,
>>> the results will be collapse and millions of deaths wherever
>>> it is successfully compelled.
>> 
>> This is true and something you never read about in the newspapers. You 
>> only hear about how many die due to heat, and how high taxes must be to 
>> save the planet.
>> 
>> You never read about the millions dead due to cold (which outnumber 
>> deaths due to heat) as well as what would happen if we were 100% solar 
>> powered and many systems and services would collapse.\
>
> > "millions dead due to cold (which outnumber deaths due to heat)
>
> Can you document this claim?
>
> I don't think you can.

One very nice in depth scientific overview (cites 50+ journal articles) is 
https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/energy/human-deaths-from-hot-and-cold-temperatures-and-implications-for-climate-change
From the summary there:
    It has been estimated that about 5.1 million excess deaths per
    year are associated with non-optimal temperatures. Of those, 4.6
    million are associated with colder than optimum temperatures, and
    0.5 million are associated with hotter than optimum temperatures.
    ...
    Deaths associated with non-optimal temperatures have been
    decreasing over time as it has gotten warmer partly due to a
    reduction in cold deaths. It has been estimated that warming from
    2000 to 2019 has resulted in a net decline in excess deaths
    globally (a larger decrease in cold deaths than an increase in
    heat deaths).

Chris