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Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Date: 29 Sep 2024 19:29:55 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <llto5jF3ksjU4@mid.individual.net> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <vd8o1s$178gk$5@dont-email.me> <llr46dFmeudU2@mid.individual.net> <vd9r10$1d6gq$4@dont-email.me> <vd9rub$18mq$2@gal.iecc.com> <vd9v99$1die6$1@dont-email.me> <llrv21Fqbh9U5@mid.individual.net> <vdarcb$1l4ch$4@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net mufkqNJ+QTr8Ibm3AfA2uA2B1A4l+Pkn3NLQC1EZBe8/IB1Cy/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:fiHe98HKr99gZn2UpiuI8Cs/cS0= sha256:hGncVekIzg+h/1XK3R+DCqSA+WdLrpR9dmsRKlc01YE= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Bytes: 2351 On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:16:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/09/2024 04:15, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 15:17:12 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> >>> I was late to discovering C. In the 1970's I lived in Denmark, and our >>> terminals, printers, keyboards etc were using a national version of >>> the ISO standard interchange code that Americans kn ow as ASCII. >>> Since Danish have three unique (well sort-of shared with Swedish and >>> Norvegian) vowels at the end of the alphabet (æ ø å / Æ Ø Å), these >>> were allocated at the end of the alphabet - after z / Z. When you look >>> at the ASCII character table, you will see that each of these >>> conflicts with significant symbols of the C language ({ \ } / [ | ]). >>> This created a strong disincentive to experiment with a "fringe" >>> programming language. >> >> Don't feel bad. I always forget what the Apple II lacked, maybe the >> tilde, >> but even with a Z-80 SoftCard you had to do some tweaks to write C >> code. > > Curly braces. I had a friend who said 'you cant program in C on an Apple > because there are no curly braces'. > > I think I sent him a header file with > > #define BEGIN { > #define END } Thanks. That make more sense that a missing tilde. It's a useful operator but not something you use every day. > > In it.