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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN Date: 2 Oct 2024 16:29:18 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <lm5amtF93p4U2@mid.individual.net> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <5mqdnZuGq4lgwm_7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vcub5c$36h63$1@dont-email.me> <36KdnVlGJu9VLW77nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <971448126.749088380.092448.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <vd5195$edas$1@dont-email.me> <59CJO.19674$MoU3.15170@fx36.iad> <vd6vto$r0so$1@dont-email.me> <iJEJO.198176$kxD8.81657@fx11.iad> <3hOdnWpQ649QMGr7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vd8doi$15q07$1@dont-email.me> <vd8eg7$15v1j$2@dont-email.me> <cxicnVzg_cn_eGX7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vdapbn$1kp35$5@dont-email.me> <xD2dnSerYr-8kmf7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@earthlink.com> <llv25bFa6uvU2@mid.individual.net> <n-ednbNVDrThwWf7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@earthlink.com> <1114392917.749421134.280786.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <WHudncjyj7eEHGb7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <lm2u9aFs3voU6@mid.individual.net> <vdj5v7$35p9c$19@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net TV3g6DX9ICezD0cqft/+mA+4C2qClAOypmqjp2q3782o5bhD7N Cancel-Lock: sha1:dxWM+MUO0a8+6QERE0LpLRy7eak= sha256:Gw65idV0AgrvznbIDsRXtCpxSO+QQkPgDfdBr0+Fi38= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Bytes: 2528 On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 11:06:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > The cost benefit is against the top down "we will write the whole > detailed spec before we write a line of code" idea that in my > experience is actually worse. I worked on one project like that, endless meetings arguing over paragraph headings. I left after six months out of boredom. I'd been doing some moonlighting for another employee who had his own thing going. The next spring when I talked to him about my tax documents I asked if they'd written any code yet. The answer was 'no'. It was a DoD project so you can understand the cost overruns and poor results. The danger is after so much time and money is spent preparing the spec it will be implemented even if problems are found. A whole chain of managers that signed off on it aren't going to admit there is a problem.