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On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:59:26 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-10-23 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-22 5:20 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:14:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't rule the tablet world, iOS does.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you draw a hard and fast distinction between “phone” and
>>>> “tablet”.
>>>> Remember, Android invented the concept of the “phablet”, which was
>>>> larger than a typical phone, but smaller than a typical tablet.
>>>> Because only Android has a UI engine that intelligently adapts to
>>>> different screen sizes and resolutions.
>>>
>>> I've owned products from both Android manufacturers and Apple and I
>>> have yet to see Android behave like anything more than a clunky
>>> version of iOS. Additionally, every tablet is different and every
>>> phone is different. The result is that if you learned how to use the
>>> system on hardware manufactured by one company, chances are the
>>> experience will be entirely different on hardware manufactured by the
>>> other. Sure, you can get used to it rather quickly, but it's not as
>>> consistent as Apple's is.
>>> iOS also makes it _simple_ to use the advanced features of your phone.
>>> Most Android users don't even know that they have features because the
>>> manufacturers and the OS do a terrible job of informing you about them
>>> or teaching you how to use them. That's why an Apple user today will
>>> still be one in twenty years and Android users usually choose that
>>> system merely because "it's not Apple."
>> 
>> But it's a pain in the butt to turn the advanced "features" off in an
>> iPhone. (It's not that easy in a Android phone either.) I use both an
>> iPhone SE (1st edition) and a Pixel 3a. I like the iPhone (for
>> carrying) because it's smaller, but making sure the damned thing
>> doesn't "call home" or use online storage, or join with other Apple
>> devices is a pain in the butt. What I particularly don't like about it
>> (in its default mode) is that it wants to automatically connect with
>> the Mac Mini (or MacBook Air) for phone calls. I don't want that. I
>> just want the thing to be a phone, that's it. (I still haven't gotten
>> rid of the MacBook Air, even though I never use it.)
>> 
>> That said, the Pixel is no picnic on these issues either. Maybe a
>> little less control freaky, but still it's a job to get all the crap
>> turned off I don't want turned on. Microsoft, Apple and Google sure
>> want to insinuate themselves into every aspect of your life. If I could
>> still use my Blackberry that's where I would be.
>> 
>> As far as consistency between Android devices... it's not that much
>> different than different versions of Apple devices. My wife's iPhone
>> works differently than my old iPhone. The biggest issue for me,
>> concerning Android devices, is the add-on crap several makers
>> "provide." Crap you can't get rid of unless you root your device.
>> 
>> Speaking of rooting... As far as I know, Apple doesn't allow alternate
>> sources for their apps. (Maybe that's changed?) Android still does
>> allow these alternate sources. A definite win for Android there.
>> 
>> I run Termux on my Pixel 3a. With that (and a BlueTooth keyboard) I can
>> write screenplays in eMacs using Fountain Mode. So there is definitely
>> enough "Linux" there to run Linux terminal applications.
> 
> There would be no benefit for Apple to allow rooting, so they don't
> allow it. That is one advantage for android, for sure.
> 
>>>>> They don't rule the desktop, Windows does.
>>>>
>>>> And Windows does not rule the workstation, Linux does.
>>>
>>> Provide evidence for this claim.
>>>
>>>>> It can be argued that the mere fact that Android uses the Linux
>>>>> kernel means that Linux won. However, people here have trouble
>>>>> deciding whether Android is Linux or not.
>>>>
>>>> It’s a true Linux kernel, there’s no disputing that. It’s not a
>>>> conventional Linux distro, that too is true.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that just means it’s not a traditional “*nix” system, like, for
>>>> example, the BSDs -- something “desktop”-oriented that is almost, but
>>>> not quite, entirely unlike Microsoft Windows. So the logical
>>>> conclusion is that “Linux” is more than just “*nix”.
>>>
>>> So you've decided that Android is indeed Linux?
>> 
>> Android uses the Linux kernel. That definitely means it's not Windows.
> 
> But does it _use_ Linux or IS IT Linux?

<quibble>
As Stallman will remind you Linux IS the kernel not the universe of 
applications that happen to run on that kernel. If his skills extended to 
developing operating systems we would be talking about Hurd rather than 
Linux.
</quibble>