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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.karotte.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 19:42:31 +0000 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <locs57F6c44U1@mid.individual.net> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <2ItTO.338744$v8v2.95701@fx18.iad> <vfltbc$7ek$1@gal.iecc.com> <ASCTO.586560$1m96.217020@fx15.iad> <vfpc6g$a0p$1@gal.iecc.com> <B17UO.740251$_o_3.409662@fx17.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 0EB1iJEG6H+/NFMmjL8tBQZztfs+C2QAYBZq/4XTaNYdX69DdM Cancel-Lock: sha1:f/5hTJIxyxoANjVu+0FQkJMW2o4= sha256:IX1EyOwz2QnG9z4VldIoUz83/5JUompdUcSvC+U0fDk= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <B17UO.740251$_o_3.409662@fx17.iad> Bytes: 2251 On 29/10/2024 15:18, Scott Lurndal wrote: > John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >> According to Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>: >>> On 2024-10-27, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >>>>> My back-of-the-envelope calculation tells me that if we continue >>>>> to double our population every 40 years, ... >>>> >>>> You might want to get some numbers for your envelope more recent than the 1950s. >>>> >>>> Here's a good place to start: >>>> >>>> https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/Probabilistic/POP/TOT/900 >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Let's see how hard the government works >>> (e.g. baby bonuses) to get that extra 0.5 child per household. >> >> I have no idea what you mean by "the government" when talking about >> world population, but national governments including China, Japan, and >> many European countries have tried to get fertility rates back up. >> They have all been complete failures. > > Which attempts fundmentally can be attributed to modern capitalist > theory that requires constant growth. Without new consumers, > how can the economy expand? > > Is it time for a steady-state economy? Long past time. -- Bill F.