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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Byte Addressability And Beyond Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 18:49:31 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <loft3jp8ud7kcseonockbgo9paqpu7ho67@4ax.com> References: <v0s17o$2okf4$2@dont-email.me> <v0s744$l3v$1@gal.iecc.com> <v0snlh$30rmc$2@dont-email.me> <v0u95n$1oje$1@gal.iecc.com> <v0uihh$3e0vg$5@dont-email.me> <j2a73jleerqgjuqee148i0hunhvvkgih6l@4ax.com> <5cbcf2caab64b7af6313c85c80f1ec52@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 02:49:33 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6444f042f0bbb456bb8f91f3b92bb4da"; logging-data="1750374"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+WJxE1eLPO44QbBe5iDrcixzr2ATLELJQ=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:cpNwQk1FzdD+SnDdfc0G+iZ5kN8= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 3.3/32.846 Bytes: 2792 On Thu, 2 May 2024 18:28:18 +0000, mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote: >John Savard wrote: > >> On Wed, 1 May 2024 23:17:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >> > >> Plus, if you load a single precision float into a floating-point >> register, you are loading on the left side, not the right side, so the > >In My 66000, floats are stored on the right side of the register >{mostly because I do not have FP LD/STs.} And _not only_ do I have FP loads and stores, but one of the things they *do* is convert floats (if needed) to an internal form so that the exponent is of the exact same form, in the same position, for all the floats of that type. The Compatible Floating Point loads and stores - those are the ones for hexadecimal S/360 floats - just do left-aligned raw loads and stores in the FP registers, since their exponents are all in the same form. But the regular ones, for IEEE 754 floats, convert everything to look like the old 8087 temporary real format. Possibly with an extra exponent bit to accomodate the new 128-bit format defined in IEEE 754. Of course, you may rightfully say that is crazy - if I did a computation saving everything in memory, or using short vectors (where this conversion doesn't take place) then the computation strictly observes the exponent range, but if I do one in registers, a calculation could continue normally where an intermediate result ought to have underflowed by a little bit. But here I'm following Seymour Cray - sacrifice everything else for speed. Although 'within reason'; _except for division_ I keep IEEE 754 exact results. John Savard